Horrible FPS
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Melody OwO
Visit Darkheart Cafe http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Cadborosaurus/68/26/48 on an intel Mac, be unable to function.
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Yikes Lopez
extra fps???? Lower fps you mean!!
Atlas Linden
Hi Melody,
Further performance fixes have been recently added to the latest ExtraFPS build here: https://releasenotes.secondlife.com/viewer/7.1.11.11750364439.html
Can you confirm if your performance has increased on your machine using this build?
For others also reading this that are still experiencing performance issues using the above build, please provide your environment info along with the FPS range you're hitting (This can be observed in the Statistics floater via Ctrl+Shift+1)
Melody OwO
Atlas Linden Things still really dip off, but then appear to recover after a minute. I'll need some more extensive runtime with it though. LOD settings don't appear to work well/at all though, a lot of blurry textures.
Demund Kira
Melody OwO exactly this! My viewer will just lag and go down to 4 fps for a few minutes then go back up, even if I’m standing in same spot and do nothing. Just does it randomly a lot. I have a pretty beefy computer and internet and SL is the laggiest game I have on it now
Ambrosia Caiben
I'm surprised they are even accepting comments about this because at the end of the day, they are just a typical corporation that doesn't care about us and it seems not even about all the money we give them, one way or another.
g13n Resident
I love the look of PBR and appreciate the effort to improve graphics, but I’m concerned about users with older devices that can’t handle it. My GPU fans are so loud since PBR it’s made my tinnitus (ear ringing) unbearable, affecting my sleep. I can’t imagine how users with older cards, or Intel-based Macs, are managing.
Sure we cannot expect everyone the luxury on extremely old devices, but it would be nice to be able to turn off PBR without having to change viewers. This goes for Official and Firestorm. Otherwise you’re basically killing off Second Life's users forcing them to upgrade or download older viewers that can cause security risks, bugs, and overall issues running both viewers.
I also recently built a new PC, hoping it would solve some of these issues. My new AMD cpu with integrated graphics initially handled SL with PBR surprisingly well, getting 20-30fps on high settings with 73 people fully landscaped. However, the next day, the same spot without people the performance dropped to 1-4fps with no other changes. Restarting the PC gives inconsistent results.
Additionally, I’ve noticed strange CPU spikes when using my RTX 4070 even when just standing in my skybox. The CPU usage jumps erratically from 20% to 100%, but without the dedicated graphics card, it stays steady around 10-30%. Why does the system behave this way with a dedicated GPU?
The newest firestorm / official viewer has made a huge improvement, but it still needs a lot of optimisation. Please allow us to turn PBR on/off until its completely optimised for everyone to use.
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AMD Ryzen 7 9700X
64GB DDR5 Ram
RTX 4070 Ti Super
tapkoinu Resident
Ever since PBR launched my performance has been noticeably worse and my fans have been running on high non stop (and I keep graphics at mid/low mid with a draw distance of only 48) I respect that Linden wanted to make the graphics look nicer but my machine isn't that old and its not been a pleasant experience. I don't think pushing out PBR was worth it if it means tanking performance and killing my machine. I'd much rather linden focus their efforts on improving quality of life for things like groups, search and other functional details rather than seemingly focus on the visuals only.
g13n Resident
tapkoinu Resident Aww I'm glad its not only me with fans going crazy. I upgraded my graphics card thinking it would make a difference, but it hasn't. Sure I might get a little more FPS, but the fan are insanely loud with a be quiet case. I just wish SL would create a turn on/off PBR option, it would solve all our issues until its completely optimised for everyone to use.
Melody OwO
g13n Resident tapkoinu Resident You DO realize you can limit FPS and still have amazing performance especially on those monster cards? You'd be hard pressed to prove an actual decrease in performance while running at 60 FPS instead of 100+ and your GPU fans will be MUCH quieter as well.
g13n Resident
Melody OwO Oh? I had no idea you could do that. I had to ask chatgpt how to do it, okay tomorrow I'll connect it back up and give it a try. As I ended up getting a Mac mini that's completely silent for every day use as my tinittus is driving me crazy. Thanks for reaching me something new. 😍
--- Update: It helped a bit, but not as much as I’d hoped. I’ve set it to a maximum of 35fps, and it’s still quite loud. Looks like I’ll have to sell this new PC and stick with my silent mac mini m4. It’s such a shame, but If it weren’t for this Mac, I’d have to give up SL entirely.
tapkoinu Resident
Melody OwO Yes I have had my system limit my FPS, I've told the system to cap it at 40-45 (i forget which at this time). Problem is, thers been more times where the FPS has been horrible at times, going down to 10-12, and let's not forget the fans feeling like they're going full bore almost all the time. and now very crowded sims are very sluggish for me (and that's limiting the number of non imposter avis to 1-2, i used to have it be around 3-4 but that creates a noticeable tank in performance. For me its really frustrating because my laptop isn't that old (we're talking 2-3 years now) When i got it, i was happy because finally i had a machine running SL smoothly and then after PBR rolled out, things went back to being crappy again. PBR hasn't created an enjoyable experience for me, its made things less enjoyable.
OdessaDraekavik Resident
I remember a few years ago, if you had let's say 100 FPS in a specific spot/area... It would stay at 100 fps even if you visited some other regions and teleported back to that same area... but now it's just impossible to have constant framerate, log in somewhere, wait for it to load, take note of your FPS, now go visit a few regions, come back exactly where you logged in, notice your fps is super low, and you have to relog to fix it... it does that on all viewers i've tried (official, FS, alchemy)
This fps degradation is happening also if you stay in the same region and cam around a lot or do object editing for a while, makes no sense
(Maybe it's my setup or I don't know, but i find this behavior very strange)
CPU : Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-14900K
RAM: 65277 Mo
Version OS : Microsoft Windows 11 64-bit (Build 26100.2161)
GPU : NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090/PCIe/SSE2
Version Windows Graphics Driver : 32.0.15.6603
Version OpenGL : 4.6.0 NVIDIA 566.03
zanisanchez Resident
Is something going on with the grid ? i cannot seem to get logged in no matter what. I keep getting them same error message each time
Science Copperfield
The root causes for horrible FPS vary greatly. Is it my fault? Is it my viewer or settings? Is it because of my operating system, graphics card or device drivers? Is it my network? Is it a second life infrastructure issue? I just can't pinpoint why my FPS is at 30, then if I walk 10 steps to the left it drops to 8
shrugs
What I would really like is some kind of advanced logging or performance monitor that tells me exactly why my experience is crap. Trust me, if there's a debug setting, it's been set I just can not pinpoint wtf is going on
Drake1 Nightfire
I have an i7-7700, 32 gb of ram and a Gtx 1660 super gpu.. When I loaded SL for the first time on this machine it didn't set mirrors to default. What do I need in this thing to have mirrors optimized? I mean, do we need state of the art top of the line PCs now? How far do you need to push your userbase away before you say "That's enough?"
Science Copperfield
Drake1 Nightfire I've been on Ubuntu since version 6 and a FS user since it was phoenix and firestorm didn't exist yet. We're wayyyy past "improve graphics speed" But always happy to meet other Linux users :-)
Drake1 Nightfire
Science Copperfield I'm not a Linux user...
Science Copperfield
Drake1 Nightfire Sorry. My reply was meant for Woolfyy Resident lol
Peter Stindberg
Same issue, on a 5-year old MacBook Pro with Radeon Pro vega 20 4GB GPU. Current official viewer, current Firestorm - all make the fans spin like crazy and fps drop under 5 even with lowest settings.
On pre-PBR Firestorm, I always had to "disable ambient lighting" to get no-fan-noise and good framerates. However this setting is not available post-PBR anymore.
PBR is leaving a lot of people on older hardware behind! And mind you, my 5 year old MBP runs games like Baldurs Gate or Final Fantasy without any problems!
Atlas Linden
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