extra fps???? Lower fps you mean!!

Hi Melody,

Further performance fixes have been recently added to the latest ExtraFPS build here: https://releasenotes.secondlife.com/viewer/7.1.11.11750364439.html

Can you confirm if your performance has increased on your machine using this build?

For others also reading this that are still experiencing performance issues using the above build, please provide your environment info along with the FPS range you're hitting (This can be observed in the Statistics floater via Ctrl+Shift+1)

I'm surprised they are even accepting comments about this because at the end of the day, they are just a typical corporation that doesn't care about us and it seems not even about all the money we give them, one way or another.

I love the look of PBR and appreciate the effort to improve graphics, but I’m concerned about users with older devices that can’t handle it. Even with my MSI RTX 4060 (purchased last year), I’ve been struggling. The fans are so loud since PBR it’s made my tinnitus (ear ringing) unbearable, affecting my sleep. I'm now saving for a 4070 Super, but that’s an extra $1,000 AUD. I can’t imagine how users with older cards, or Intel-based Macs, are managing.

Sure we cannot expect everyone the luxury on extremely old devices, but it would be nice to be able to turn off PBR without having to change viewers. This goes for Official and Firestorm. Otherwise you’re basically killing off Second Life's users forcing them to upgrade or download older viewers that can cause security risks, bugs, and overall issues running both viewers. (I’m a creator and landscaper so I need both.)

I also recently built a new PC, hoping it would solve some of these issues. My new AMD cpu with integrated graphics initially handled SL with PBR surprisingly well, getting 20-30fps on high settings with 73 people fully landscaped. However, the next day, the same spot without people the performance dropped to 1-4fps with no other changes. Restarting the PC gives inconsistent results.

Additionally, I’ve noticed strange CPU spikes when using my RTX 4060, even when just standing in my skybox. The CPU usage jumps erratically from 20% to 100%, but without the dedicated graphics card, it stays steady around 10-30%. Why does the system behave this way with a dedicated GPU?

The newest firestorm / official viewer has made a big improvement, but it still needs a lot of optimisation. I hope you can find a solution.

I remember a few years ago, if you had let's say 100 FPS in a specific spot/area... It would stay at 100 fps even if you visited some other regions and teleported back to that same area... but now it's just impossible to have constant framerate, log in somewhere, wait for it to load, take note of your FPS, now go visit a few regions, come back exactly where you logged in, notice your fps is super low, and you have to relog to fix it... it does that on all viewers i've tried (official, FS, alchemy)

This fps degradation is happening also if you stay in the same region and cam around a lot or do object editing for a while, makes no sense

(Maybe it's my setup or I don't know, but i find this behavior very strange)

CPU : Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-14900K

RAM: 65277 Mo

Version OS : Microsoft Windows 11 64-bit (Build 26100.2161)

GPU : NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090/PCIe/SSE2

Version Windows Graphics Driver : 32.0.15.6603

Version OpenGL : 4.6.0 NVIDIA 566.03

Is something going on with the grid ? i cannot seem to get logged in no matter what. I keep getting them same error message each time

The root causes for horrible FPS vary greatly. Is it my fault? Is it my viewer or settings? Is it because of my operating system, graphics card or device drivers? Is it my network? Is it a second life infrastructure issue? I just can't pinpoint why my FPS is at 30, then if I walk 10 steps to the left it drops to 8

What I would really like is some kind of advanced logging or performance monitor that tells me exactly why my experience is crap. Trust me, if there's a debug setting, it's been set I just can not pinpoint wtf is going on

I have an i7-7700, 32 gb of ram and a Gtx 1660 super gpu.. When I loaded SL for the first time on this machine it didn't set mirrors to default. What do I need in this thing to have mirrors optimized? I mean, do we need state of the art top of the line PCs now? How far do you need to push your userbase away before you say "That's enough?"

Same issue, on a 5-year old MacBook Pro with Radeon Pro vega 20 4GB GPU. Current official viewer, current Firestorm - all make the fans spin like crazy and fps drop under 5 even with lowest settings.

On pre-PBR Firestorm, I always had to "disable ambient lighting" to get no-fan-noise and good framerates. However this setting is not available post-PBR anymore.

PBR is leaving a lot of people on older hardware behind! And mind you, my 5 year old MBP runs games like Baldurs Gate or Final Fantasy without any problems!