A reversal of standing company policy and doctrine on generative Artificial Intelligence
Rathgrith027 Resident
For the past nearly 22 years, Second Life has been a bastion of creativity and and expression, providing un-paralleled experiences that even to this day, its' competitors cannot properly match.
However, it seems that Linden Lab, in the face of opportunity with the metaverse's* growth in recent years in the face of aggressive funding and pursuits by the tech industry, has failed to respect its' userbase.
Artificial Intelligence, at large, whilst providing a valuable resource in countless fields, also poses great risk to Second Life's future if left to be exploited without restraint.
Generative AI provides no intellectual property protections (Naruto v. Slater, No. 16-15469 (9th Cir. 2018)), is overwhelmingly trained on unauthorized data with clear and concise intent to replicate the works of those without consent or authorization (https://hbr.org/2023/04/generative-ai-has-an-intellectual-property-problem), causes great harm to the environment (https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/ai-has-environmental-problem-heres-what-world-can-do-about) , and of relevance to Second Life's continued viability as a platform - jeopardizes the place of human workers in an economy not fit to sustain them lest they lose their job as a result of supplantation by AI. And what is more, many experts have stated that the AI bubble is doomed to burst at some point in the next 2-3 years, which would undermine any investments by Linden Lab into AI technology, especially as AI has become a literal money sink. (https://gizmodo.com/github-copilot-ai-microsoft-openai-chatgpt-1850915549)
In the face of this, Linden Lab has refused to adopt protections for its' creators against artificial intelligence being used on their assets, has refused to adopt strategies to mitigate low-quality AI slop from being disseminated through the marketplace, which muddies results and makes searching difficult, and with technologies like ConvAI's bots, exacerbates the undying argument that Second Life is 'dead', when all people will likely come across, are poorly coded bots with little guardrails that can be exploited and in turn, leave the bot operator vulnerable, for little if any benefit to our residents.
And in the face of constant negative feedback from the residents who support our home, Linden Lab has decided to double down on AI by using it in promotional material, which once again, fails to reflect the reality of our platform to an audience that likely will have the retention rate of ground beef rotting away in the sun. All the while, many of our residents have been given no choice but to at worst, abandon SL, or at best, withdraw all financial support to the platform. Even I, have been contemplating the latter by selling my land, and ceasing my Premium Plus membership.
As such, I, [REDACTED 1], along with those who support this request, issue the following demands of Linden Research, d/b/a Linden Lab:
- Immediate sunsetting of the ConvAI bot system within 90 days of approval of this request.
- A permanent ban on the commercial use of generative artificial intelligence in Second Life in any capacity, with moderate warnings for infringers, or explicit bans for use of generative AI that directly undermines an creator on our platform.
- Assurances by Linden Lab Product Operations, Marketing and Development teams that under no circumstances will Linden Lab in the future, pursue the use of generative AI as part of the development, maintenance, promotion or support of the Second Life platform in any substantial capacity.
You as Lindens have an obligation to ensure the sustainability of your sole product that is now keeping your corporation afloat, and has reliably done so for the past 22 years, lest you decide to throw caution into the wind in the face of constant anger and frustration of your userbase, and cause many of the creators who you have championed and laid host for all of this time to abandon Agni for sunnier shores. These people are your lifeblood, the very reason why Second Life exists, and when they go, their customers will follow. And when their customers follow, the barons who already hemmorhage money paying for simulators will take flight from here, and all of Agni will implode in on itself.
And it all could be avoided. Even in the face of the age of AI, we can stand the test of time, as we have for nearly my entire physical life, at the halcyon age of [REDACTED 2].
Whether or not we do, is up to you and your abettors - to come to the table, accept humility, and ensure a future for our home that does not lean all in on the dystopia that others seem content with.
* The Metaverse, referring to the collective of virtual worlds (i.e. Activeworlds, Second Life, IMVU, There, VRChat, etc.)
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Zada Bury
I disagree with this petition.
This discussion becomes messy already ... and it is merging various themes.
Nail different points:
1) Complains about using AI (generated) content in products or "on the marketplace".
1a) Use AI to "display" product or advertise it "better". This is equal to the past about "Pictures taken in ultra-quality" or "on PBR-Viewer" or "Product is worn on Mesh-Body xyz" disclaimers or so. We all know the situation, it looks at home not that best, it was shown in the ad. If the seller overdrawing it, it will "pay back" in bad reviews - so it is in their own responsibility and the more honest products with "real" pictures and an inworld-shop, where the product can be seen and tested will probably win.
1b) Using AI creations in products itself. I see it as nearly equal, as using "Photoshop" or merging the thoughts and creations by others by a human creator. At the end it is our choice, if we accept some "AI-generated ad-textures at a bus-station" ... or choosing a creator, who painting such self (and "stealing" from the things they have seen in their life) ... or one who directly copies some stuff, that might be or be not a copyright violation - who be able to check it?
2) AI- (chat) Bots, as like the one provided by LL. These can be interesting and for a while an nice distraction as chat. Beside of that, they might become somewhat like assistants, as a lot people use in their mobile phones already. Maybe them aren't perfect. But it is on everyone itself to use them. Or refuse to chat with some.
3) Ads by LL. As like "1a" ... If you advertise with AI-generated (SL-) pictures, people might come in and be disappointed, as the look isn't what was promised in the ad. But maybe it is for artistic reasons. Anyway it is the decision of eg. the marketing-department.
4) Profile pictures and similar. Same as "1a". The result might be, you will not be recognized. If somebody enhances their look with some AI filters ... it's their thing. Surely in the "spotlights" or interviews and so on, also a real SL picture should be seen.
But 3 things I would wish for:
- For the Marketplace (and inworld-vendors, too): If someone uses AI in the product itself (e.g. textures), this should be get a notice somewhere.
- Responsibility for the chat-bots only that far, as the owner can really control it.
- Profile-sign for "scripted agent" with various classes, eg. "AI controlled chat-bot" and "scripted agent" (group-invites, just a display-model).
marxman1313 Resident
Just as a head's up to anyone reading this, I am seeing both on Bluesky and from my friends that I have sent this to that they are unable to log in and/or are being re-directed. It is possible Linden Labs is trying to censor this just like they are comments on youtube right now.
Zandrae Nova
marxman1313 Resident When I first signed up for this site, it has some errors. I think I had to use my desktop due to some browser quirk on my phone or something so it actually might be a bug.
Almalexia Aurelia
As a reminder, the constant CONSTANT use of AI from dweebs who feel like they're entitled to the hard work of artists is literally just bug testing propaganda machines, this is already happening and its not even that good yet. it will not get better! Banning it from SL wont stop it but it sure as FUCK is going to slow it down considering the content slop thats pumped out onto the marketplace on a daily basis.
there is not nor will there ever be an ethical way to use AI
William Gide
Almalexia Aurelia My favorite name for genAI so far is "Grand Theft Autocomplete."
It's very hard for me to see using genAI as meaningfully different from receiving stolen goods.
CrimsonAcanthus Resident
I have been pushing for them to stop allowing AI, or at least moderating it, for a hot minute now but my voice has yet to be heard by LL. I also shared a different feedback here. https://feedback.secondlife.com/web-features/p/add-marketplace-policy-regarding-ai-generated-content
That has 175 upvotes. I have seen feedback requests with 20 upvotes put through the system, and yet, here we are. Being seen and not heard. I'm so tired of this.
nulshift Resident
CrimsonAcanthus Resident The fact that there was a merge, but no response. lmao.
Vincent Nacon
AI bots are here to stay because it was ment to fill in the gap for NPCs stuff. Which I will remind you, SL has NPCs, both static and active long before AI... which is debatable because no AI are the same as they all functions on many different levels. You may hate the company that provided LL ConvAI bots, but I can ensure you that someone will come up with even better ones and compete with them. Whoever they are, will end up here in SL.
And no, the "AI Bubble" isn't about to pop any time soon. It's nothing like any other products in the world and its development isn't slowing down at all, it's accelerating ever more so. Hardwares are still getting improvement along with AI, which will make AI even better down the tech advancement line. CPU companies are already using AI to design even better chips. You can fully expect to see AI powering robots and doing a lot of physical work for us. Robots will practically pay for itself and more.... but anyway, that's another big topic for the future. Going back to SL realm...
I saw the dumb promotional ad that LL put out this week and yes, it sucked and doesn't live up to SL's expectation. That's on LL's PR management. Someone used a poorly written prompt and decided it was good enough to post it. That's hardly AI fault, the video generation department is still in active development growth and it's foolish for that one person to decide to use it now and shipped it. He/she should've waited at least one or two more years. We can fully expect to see the quality to improve dramatically, we're just not there yet.
1: I can't see that happening any time soon... but why are you blaming ConvAI for the lame video ad? They got nothing to do with it.
2: Your request for LL to ban all AI contents and bots is completely absurd and downright impossible to enforce it.
3: This... this I can agree. Video generation isn't that good at the moment, it was absurd for them to use it now.
nulshift Resident
Vincent Nacon None of it is good at the moment and none of it will ever be. No amount of "good prompt" and "PR" can fix slop.
Lorelai Mistwallow
Vincent Nacon nulshift Resident
Let's also not forget these bots appear as "real" people on the map and at a glance. It's depressing enough going around SL to either find no one or AFK people everywhere. It's going to be even MORE depressing having a chat with someone only to realize they're a BOT. No one is going to stick around SecondLife if most of their interactions are with NPCs. At that point they'd go back to playing Skyrim or Cyberpunk. Better graphics, same experience.
My dark thought is these bots are lowkey meant to FALSELY inflate the concurrent active user data. In lamens terms, making SecondLife look more populated than it is, when in actuality 50% of the "active" userbase could be bots in under a year. Drawing in new users under the false pretense that SecondLife is more active than it is..
Wyvern Dryke
I disagree strongly with this petition, and I don't care who flames me. AI is a TOOL, not the end of the world. It is a disgrace when people use it badly, and I am disgusted as much as the rest of you when that happens. But it is, in fact, a TOOL... and when used well, by a skilled individual, it can achieve impressive results. The endless vitriol I see spouted against it is tiresome and mostly unfounded. Anyone who has actually used AI for any length of time understands that it cannot and will not replace true artists. There are numerous limitations built into the technology. For one thing, AI has no actual creativity; it is a mockingbird, not a composer. It mimics what it sees. Therefore, it cannot replace human creativity or depth of skill. It never will. The human artist will always be held at a premium, because it is REAL.
As for Second Life's faltering attempt to embrace AI in the form of bot-avatars... I find it deeply lacking. It needs significant work before it can function as any sort of companion. I see it going the path of Pathfinding characters--half-implemented, awkward, and left eternally broken.
tosses two pennies and walks away
VanessaChristy Resident
Wyvern Dryke Yes certain AI is a TOOL.
When it doesn't steal others work and when it isn't used to generate an image to call a product or used to completely change a product in the ad compared to the product in reality. Generative AI is not a tool.
Lorelai Mistwallow
Wyvern Dryke "Anyone who has actually used AI for any length of time understands that it cannot and will not replace true artists."
lol you sure about that bud? Have you not seen the COUNTLESS layoffs from high profile industries that are REPLACING their ARTISTS with AI? Have you not seen the COUNTLESS lawsuits being filed by ARTISTS for having their work used without their consent? Have you ever even SPOKEN to an artist before? Everyone from freelance to industry ARTISTS are having their work be REPLACED with AI. All because capitalists want to line their pockets at the expense of marginalized people that throughout history have consistently had their skills devalued, viewed as non-essential, or not be considered a "real job".
Without ARTISTS you wouldn't have SecondLife. Without ARTISTS you wouldn't have label art on products, movies, games, toys, product design concepts, clothing design concepts, and SO MUCH more. GTFO of here with that "Artists aren't being harmed because AI replacement is the same kind of fearmongering as the camera replacing artists'" argument. It's tiring.
nulshift Resident
I don't get why anyone is even excited for AI in Second Life in the first place.
I'll start by saying I am fully opposed to usage of AI. In order to get my point across, I am going to be speaking from a point of view as someone who isn't.
Why would you want it in SL? The whole point of SL is to socialize and/or create. If you would rather talk to a bot than talk to a person, you can do that from your browser. If you would rather look at generated content than human made content, yet again, you can do that from your browser. It doesn't need to be in SL for you to enjoy AI. You can already do that outside of SL.
Then yeah, aside from that bit. Please let us have our place to socialize and create with other humans. Bringing AI into everything is just perpetually drowning out everything we used to love. As much as I'd love to see AI just go away entirely, if it's not going to go away, at least let us have the few spaces we have left to be free from it.
Vixus Snowpaw
Hi, I'm the person responsible for publishing the video of me testing out the newly introduced LLM integration and almost immediately getting extremely inappropriate responses, while simply asking it to come to me.
It certainly proved a deeply serious and important point about user safety.
With regards to 'you turned the filter off and accepted the risk' I would wish to reply in brief with the following:
- None of the things I asked or told the test bot warranted such an extreme response (the standard pre-prompt for the unrestricted model as made by LL was poorly implemented)
- In additional testing with the 'safety on' it was trivial to manipulate the bot to violate its set constraints. Since the owner is responsible for 100% of the outputs, prompt tampering by others can, as stated, very well result in unjustified platform bans as per the official usage agreement.
Generative slop is an undesirable feature that immediately, irreparably detracts from all which we derive from creating our works to share with the community. It will flood every nook and cranny and drive out this platforms incredible talents. And once that threshold is reached, and every place starts flooding with lazy generated garbage to the point where it's impossible to find high quality assets, it in turn WILL alienate and erode large swatches of the community.
In conclusion:
I understand that AI is the hot buzz word of the times, but the community as it exists was built both BY and FOR its users. With all of both the worst and the best being made by the platform users themselves. Second Life is a place for people. Not a place for plagiarism machines to spaff out content ad nauseum undermining the very dedicated user base and experiences which drew us into SL to begin with.
/signed
Skyler Ghostly
To anyone who says "If you don't like it, block it. If you don't want it, don't buy it." You're a part of the problem. Get a grip.
Eur0beat Resident
AI is completely antithetical to any creative endeavor and will only lead to legitimate art and creativity being buried under cheap digital sludge. Get rid of all this AI garbage.
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