Asking For Parcel Based Object Blacklist Method
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Count Burks
Hello programmers,
In the Firestorm viewer there is a feature named Blacklist. This allows users to blacklist certain objects and even avatars so they are no longer visible to them.
This feature is used on a regular basis by many Residents in world for many years now. It often solves frustration when users can derender eyesores from neighboring objects next to their land.
However this feature is not perfect, while it solves issues for a single person, Residents are not satisfied as their guests are still confronted with the Objects that form an eyesore to them.
In order to solve this, instead of a single avatar a parcel should have the power to enforce derendering of particular objects on neighboring parcels. This would then actually solve the issue for both the parcel owner but also for their visitors.
Parcels can have this power on avatars so you can program it so parcels also have the power to views on certain objects surrounding them.
I think this is a feature that should have been coded a long time ago. I think this will benefit many Residents in world and fix a lot of frustration people still experience today.
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Ikaros Alpha
As far as Firestorm is concerned, a quick way to (temporarily) share asset_blacklist.xml with others would help. I now share it with one alt and a few regular visitors. But as we do this manually it overrides theirs.
Count Burks
In the real world most people get annoyed by having to look at some eyesore item like an electric pole or some windmill they can see from their house, an ugly car from their neighbor etc.... People hate these things but what are they going to do about it?
In Second Life people should have the ability to not having to stare at things they detest, it will improve their virtual life.
In Second Life people buy land, pay tier fees, purchase a house and objects to decorate their land. This is costing them hundreds of Dollars. Then they have their friends over to their perfect land and then neighbor X has some ugly thing up they and their guests can view.
That is a no no and should be fixed and it should have been fixed a long time ago.
Bavid Dailey
I'd prefer a way for a visitor to opt in to the parcels owners blacklist or not, and probably the default should be off.
Count Burks
Bavid Dailey I do not agree with your statement because of the following:
The reason I asked for this specific feature is because the parcel owner is also the one that PAYS for their land. This means the parcel owner wants to be in control over what their guests on THEIR PROPERTY are viewing as their surroundings.
A feature where people first need to OPT IN as you describe it would render it pretty useless as most people would not bother to opt in.
When people visit the land of another Resident who PAYS for that land then they need to respect the rules of the Land Owner and this can also mean not viewing certain objects on a neighboring parcel which have been perceived as being an eyesore to the parcel owner.
We are talking about the derendering of a rock that sticks out too much, a tree, a structure that is too tall, a skybox that is placed too low some Object that is generating particles, a fence that is too tall etc...
This feature would eliminate a huge amount of frustration a lot of people have been confronted with in the past and still are to this day.
The Firestorm derendering tool is popular but not sufficient enough.
Bavid Dailey
Count Burks Sorry we have to agree to disagree then.
Every avatar has the ability to undo your control of their perception of your parcel by simply changing their environment setting, their draw distance , quality of graphics and 1001 other settings over which you have not , and should not have control. Unless perhaps you are consensually using RLV.
I am in favour of your offering a way to see things as you want, I am
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in favour of you being able to force that viewpoint.Count Burks
Bavid Dailey I will provide you with one simple example here.
Avatar 1 and Avatar 2 both have a parcel next to each other. They have been neighbors for 10 months now. Both have a beach island with a dance floor and both have parties on their island with friends on a regular basis.
There are no issues between the neighbors. Now Halloween comes around in October and Avatar 1 starts to decorate their island into a Halloween festival scene, they landscape, put down black trees, haunted houses etc....
Avatar 2 logs into his island and really isn't into Halloween, he dislikes it even. Now the issues start. Avatar 2 gets it on his nerves when he has to watch that horror scene next door and doesn't want his friends having to look at that when he will have his next party.
Now you have a conflict. A conflict to start disputes between the two neighbors, a conflict big enough for avatar 2 to pack his bags and leave his island or for him to start complaining to the Owner of the place where he is living.
Or maybe avatar 2 will be so dissatisfied or annoyed he no longer will be interested to have land. Some people are like that.
I can give you hundreds of these examples. A parcel blacklist would just allow avatar 2 to open a window, select the name of his neighbor, blacklist all the items of his neighbor from being seen from the land owned by avatar 2.
I am not seeing anything negative with this method, it is fast, effective, easy.
* Another important advantage, many people complain about lag, just think how much users with weak computers could benefit from his if they could derender neighboring objects because they computer struggles.
As for the forcing aspect you dislike. It's the law of the land, I do not see any disadvantage allowing a parcel Owner to control their environment. They pay they decide. The purpose of this feature is to take away annoyance, aggravation, frustration, people getting their fun spoiled with a product they pay for.
If I enter the property of a person and I cannot see the windmill next door because the parcel Owner doesn't want me to see that windmill I am fine with that. If I would want the full sightseeing experience then I can look for public roads to explore.
Bavid Dailey
Count Burks Well your example is based in reality, as far as it goes.
But I still say Avatar 2 has no right to
require
that everybody sees their parcel as they do - though there is every reason,as you suggest, to make it possible for visitors to AVatar 2 's parcel see their preferred view. you want to enforce your 'worldview' , I want only to enable visitors to see the same as you. The issue of who pays for the parcel is a red herring as far as I am concerned.
Art isn't improved by compulsion.