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Eydothea Resident
Block feature shoud go both ways. If, for example I block someone, I see them gray, but they are still able to see me. The purpose of blocking someone is to keep them out of our lives. If they can still see us, then this block is half achieved purpose. It should go both ways. If one block someone then both avatars should be gray. I have a friend that blocked someone and he can still see her and follow her in her usual spots. She sees the view crosses fixed on parts of her body even though he is blocked. This is making her uncomfortable and should not be allowed. Blocked people should not be able to see the person that blocked them. Thank you
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Extrude Ragu
I think this is a
terrible
idea.SOCIAL ISOLATION:
It enables a new form of social exclusion, whereby two or more people can block a user to isolate them from being able to participate with a group.
This will turn all town square environments into toxic environments where having the wrong opinions can get you excluded.
It will have a chilling effect on the ability to exchange ideas and speak freely in Second Life.
ADMINISTRATION HEADACHE:
Somebody who wants to cause trouble can block the sim administrator. Now the admin has no idea they are causing trouble for other guests.
In general I think this ability does more HARM than good for Second Life's social environment, and is likely to lead to a much more toxic culture.
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Choosing to cover your own ears is a personal choice. As is choosing where you hang out and with whom.
Choosing to cover someone else's ears is not a personal choice. You are taking away someone else's natural abilities. It is oppressive and abusive in and of itself.
Lucia Nightfire
Izzatooona Enthusiast
Agreed 100% - anyone harassing others should be stopped from seeing their victim, their victim's chat, their entire ability to interact with their victim (even at a distance). In other words, I don't even believe a criminal should even be able to open their victim's profile. It should END completely, no exceptions. Harsh, I know, but all too often in this world lately do we see criminals getting special treatment while victims are left to the ongoing victimization. Enough is enough. LL. Please END this madness.
ladiablesse100bc Resident
The problem with this kind of 'block' is twofold.
One: By 'turning yourself invisible' you've just created a handy means to get around security orbs or other scripted objects that rely on detecting your presence. Every object in world has an owner, and if you block the owner, their objects are also blocked. So, for this reason, it's a non-starter simply because the LSL detection code would have to be completely rewritten to not be exploitable in this manner.
Two: Say I'm a griefer who wants to cause trouble, but there's a couple of moderators that always seem to get the drop on me as soon as I show up. If I block them, now they cannot see what I'm doing to provoke their guests, and no amount of complaining will help - until I unblock them, they cannot interact with me at all.
In general, SL should only allow you to moderate your own experience; you block and derender specific people, so that they can't talk to you and you can't see them. If we do the opposite, where a block derenders you to the blocked person (or people), you're imposing a restriction on other people beyond just being ignored - you're affecting their experience directly. That's not how these things are supposed to work. Plus, there's the above safety and privacy concerns.
Izzatooona Enthusiast
ladiablesse100bc Resident I have to disagree with you on a few points. I'm sorry. You posted this publicly, however, so you have opened yourself up to others' comments. One: if you DID turn yourself invisible to a person you muted - then that is the ONLY person that won't see you. So your argument about security orbs is moot. Security Orbs will still "see" you because that detection is not visual, it's scripted - you can't avoid orbs. Two: If a griefer mutes the moderators - well, for one, again, scripted detection systems don't care if they can "visually" see you, because they cannot. They operate via scripted functions. So, if a moderator wants you gone, it's very simple. They don't need to see you. As for doing stuff to irritate others and can't be seen doing it - the griefer is still visible on radar - you can be completely invisible but your movement can still be tracked. Therefore, if you were were bumping into someone like the invisible man just to bother folks, you will still get booted. And, likely banned if it's a harassment issue. And, finally, you said "In general", SL should only allow you to moderate your own experience. You claim that imposing a restriction on "other people beyond just being ignored", you're affecting their experience directly. You clearly are one of those who advocates for criminals and not the victims. A person who is blocked should NOT be allowed to interact with their victim in anyway. Think court ruling saying "you are not to have any contact with so and so, you must stay away by certain # of feet, etc." Life is not fair sometimes, but keep in mind that if you are criminal, you should not have the right to continuously harass your victim. I suggest you change your thinking on this. Cordially. End of the line is this: If a griefer wants to be a griefer, take away their ability to see their victim(s), remove their ability to see your chat, and make them what they are: USELESS.
ladiablesse100bc Resident
Izzatooona Enthusiast Explain how an object whose OWNER has been blocked (effectively derendering you to them and to all their stuff) can then 'see' you. It can't. It uses the owner's permissions.
Izzatooona Enthusiast
ladiablesse100bc Resident By using scripting - for example, the following LSL functions can still be used in the same region as the person muted to see if they are present, see their position inside the region, etc. I use these functions as a proximity alert: llSensor, llGetAgentList, llGetObjectDetails, but keep in mind that once someone's online status is no longer available to you (since 2012 I think), online detection via script is impossible. If I am incorrect, please feel free to correct me.
ladiablesse100bc Resident
Izzatooona Enthusiast The key is the "online status" which I believe is part and parcel of being blocked. Thus if I were to block a parcel owner so they couldn't interact with me, their objects can no longer tell if I'm online much less present on the parcel. That's the crux of the technical problems with this kind of block mechanic, whereas the existing mechanic (blocking someone hides you from them) only affects your own objects and not theirs. I do know that vendor systems like Caspervend do not function if you block Casper - they can no longer deliver to you or see when you're online to ask if you're ready for a delivery.
Izzatooona Enthusiast
ladiablesse100bc Resident I can't debate this further. I've given you all I know. I hope you can now take that info and do your own research for claification. Thank you, have a nice day.
prissypaw Aldrin
the purpose of blocking some one is to filter your perspective not intended to be used as a shunning tool, if look at beacon bother you turn them off because look at beacon can be triggerd by chat, the person blocked will still be able to follow you because they can see a grey jellydoll, especialy immedately after you interact with them then block them you still exist in the same space.
Holocluck Henly
Agreed.
In those cases where there's aggression, particularly from someone not right in the head, even if they are blocked your appearance or chat could well inspire them.
I had a problem several years ago w/some blocked sociopath who I
guess
saw a chat post or notice in a mutual inworld group & started in again by proxy when someone I barely knew came after me with some fictional accusation.The less these aggressors are inspired the better, and there's nothing that inspires them more than seeing you not suffering. Take us out of the equasion and you solve most of that.
Zanya Resident
[s]Well I for one LOVE the ability to not see what someone is saying about me in group and public chat while they can see AND comment on anything I say in front of everyone. Linden made a fantastic and not at all abusable safety feature![/s]
Izzatooona Enthusiast
Zanya Resident Personally, I agree to a point - I still think the OP has merit, and I think LL should take these matters more seriously. Blocking someone isn't enough, in some cases. As a result, I think they didn't go far enough.
Saz Ninetails
If you dont want to engage with someone block them and then you wont see anything to engage with. I would not care if they saw what I said to others. If you see someone as a grey doll and you dont want them to see what you say just dont say certain stuff around them. Always be careful who is around when you talk about any personal stuff as you never know who is really in chat range. There is also the danger of someone you block or who blocks you, and then they can say what they like to others. When I block its usually to stop their tirade in IM. if they want to be a jerk in local others can report it.
Spoons Delcon
This seems standard in other virtual worlds. The downside in SL is the blocked avatar is still visible to the blocker. VRChat for instance solves this issue perfectly and frankly someone not allowing you to view or interact with them doesn't ruin your experience. If you cause trouble for a major creator you can be banned from ever getting their stuff. How is this any different?
AlettaMondragon Resident
This is a 3D open world platform, not social media or a chat room app. You can't just vanish from certain people by blocking or other ways while you're inworld or when chatting in a public group. This is part of SL.
You can disable "Avatars on other parcels can see and chat with avatars on this parcel" on your own land, which in combination with blocking an undesired person will work as you'd like, as long as you're on your own land and that person isn't.
You can also look for that icon on the address bar (on its right side) and the navbar above it (on its left side), if you see an eye icon there, it means this privacy setting is enabled.
In public, yes, your avatar is still visible to someone you have blocked, and the way the concept of public works (the opposite of private) there's nothing wrong with it. If harassment happens, you can report it. At a club for example, rather to its management than to LL, as the club management will be more likely to take actions there.
As for the LookAt crosshairs... you can just turn off LookAt targets temporarily or altogether, they're not too useful. I know it can be uncomfortable when someone locks it at you, but as long as you are in a public space, that's just like when someone is looking at you in real life.
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