Toothless Draegonne Did I speak about 100 people? The proposal asks for a small increase from the current 25 allowed agents in the region to 40 agents in the region and to get rid of the 5 premium rule. The idea is not that Homestead islands become heavy traffic club regions or anything like that. The purpose is allowing Homestead owners a bit more freedom and flexibility to USE their island for their social activities and Roleplay events when needed.

Count Burks I'm not sure if you read what I was saying. Homestead-class regions already struggle when full. 20-30K regions are frequently manually limited to 40, 50 or so max people because running events with 100 people in is asking for trouble.

Please, spend more time in Homestead-class sandboxes when there are more than a handful of people in, doing more than just standing in one place and throwing gestures. That or in a full 20K region with 40 people in while a party is kicking off. It may be an eye-opener for you, as far as just how awful server performance would be if a Homestead-class region would have that same 40 people.

Is the Second Life userbase growing or declining? The answer is it is declining.

What is the 5 Premium Member rule? In essence it is a charge to pay to enter a region.

When you have a declining userbase on your platform is it a good idea to charge a pay to enter fee? No.

The entire idea behind the increase in concurrency to 40 users is to make it equal to a mainland region and to just allow the owners of a Homestead to be able to do their Roleplay, to build their community to have their party and invite their friends.

Get rid of the 5 premium pay wall. A pay wall serves no purpose on a platform that needs to gain users.

I did not ask for 7500 prims either as that would be a 50% prim increase and then you get into the competing with full sims, half of full sims, and 1/4 of a region with boosted prims and that is also not the idea.

In the past there has been an increase on Homestead regions from 3750 to 5000 so now bring that 5000 to 6250. A bit more prims which will be welcome and also a higher concurrency.

I am not proposing drastic adjustments which would cause issues on the Land Market. I propose this to eliminate frustrations Homestead users experience with their regions.

This would not disturb the Land Market. Homestead owners with more prims can decorate more so they will purchase a bit more content. It would not cost much for Linden Lab and with a small increase in tier for new Homesteads they would cover that cost.

This is a measure to aid Second Life users to have a better experience with the product they pay almost 150 USD for.

A full region has 20000 or 30000 prims and not 6500 prims. One land option offers 5 times the Land Impact volume compared to the 6500 prims I am proposing. You cannot really compare the two like that.

The user concurrency increase is intended to stop blocking social activities on Homestead regions as it is currently the case, but also to make the product a bit more attractive again.

Linden Lab charges around 145 (tax included) for such an island per month.

145 USD for 5000 prims and a strict limit on visitors.

It is hard to have a Roleplay event; a party; wedding; social event when your guests are getting blocked off like that on an private region for which you pay near 150 USD.

Count Burks We would hope for 7500 prims if an increase to $115 was to happen.

Mark Legendary That would be a 50% prim increase and 100% higher concurrency and it would compete with 1/4th of a 30000 prim region Mark. So for 6 USD more there is no reason to get into that in my opinion. If you receive 1250 more prims + higher concurrency I think that would be fair for now. You also need to think about mainland regions, what their cost is and what they offer.

I think with 7500 prims on a Homestead there would be too much migration taking place and it would impact the land market, which needs to be avoided.

The idea is to allow people to have their events and to make the Homestead product a little bit more attractive with some extra prims without disturbing or impacting the land market. The 6 USD is to compensate Linden Lab for their resources. It is a win for both the user and Linden Lab.

Count Burks Homesteads cost more than 50% than that of a 20k prim region, an increase of 50% prims, still makes a homestead less value and less attractive in comparison to to a 20k region that would remain the better value option. There would be no negative impact to the land market for this offering at all. Another thing to take into consideration when speaking about value, homestead regions have around 1/3 of the performance than that of a 20k region, so this along with less than half the prims and billed more than half the rate of a 20k region, homesteads remain inferior and lessor value than that of a 20k region.

However, if Linden Labs wanted to increase the cost for an upgrade to 7500 prims for $115, I wouldn't mind this personally.

If for example, 10k prims was to be offered on a homestead, then this would affect the market, as many with 20k regions would possibly downgrade their region and make do with 10k prims which in turn would affect the land market negatively with a reduction of 20k regions and increase of homesteads which in turn would reduce demand for L$ trades also which would be really negative towards the market as a whole.

Overall, I think that Homesteads with 7500 prims would be a positive to the market for both residents and Linden Labs.

Mark Legendary I do not agree at all with this. The moment you offer 7500 prims on a Homestead ALL the people who are renting 1/4th of a full sim with 5000 prims suddenly start to think, hm if we pay a bit more we get a complete sim and 50% more prims. All the people who rent 1/4th of a full sim with 7500 prims then go, hm if we switch to a Homestead we get the same prims and we have our own sim.

So yes YOU DO get a disruption in the market. You will get mass relocations and nobody wants that. This is the exact reason for suggesting a small prim increase of 1250 prims and charging a couple of dollars more.

Also in terms of value, users do receive a complete sim with all possible benefits such as custom terrain textures, doing their own restarts, no neighbors etc.... So there is value in that which needs to be taking into consideration.

Homesteads with 7500 prims would cause disruption in the land market, some would suffer financially from this. Be honest Mark you wouldn't mind a Homestead with 6250 prims with 40 concurrent users for 115 US$ either.

The most important reason for the proposal is to handle the low concurrency, then offset that cost with the 6 USD extra in tier cost, and to make it acceptable for the consumer the 1250 prims get added.

This makes the consumer feel they get more for their money. And as an extra benefit the Homestead region becomes a bit more attractive again as a product, maybe some extra sales are generated as the consumer feels they get better value.

1/2 - Count Burks I respect you disagree, everything I had said and about to say, is my personal opinion based on information I have.

If I take you back over 9 years ago, homesteads had 3750 prims and 1/4 sims had 3750 prims so the idea that people will jump to homesteads to get the same prims but a full region of space is not the case at all as the 1/4 sim was always alot cheaper than a homestead and the same would apply today, the only difference is instead of us talking about 3750 prims on each, it is 7500 on each but still the same principle, so there would not be mass migrations or financial loss.

On another note when you suggest about people on 1/4 sims with 7500 prims, you need to take in consideration that it is around a 35%-40% increase on tier for someone to move from a 1/4 7500 prims to a Homestead, then there is the lack of avatar limit available, the performance of a Homestead is 1/3 that of a full region also.

As for anyone being at a financial loss, well as an estate owner myself, I for one do not want to incur a loss just as anyone else wouldn't want this, alot of thought and discussion has gone into this and I have personally been involved in a number of these discussions with ideas and suggestions with some Lindens at different points over the past 18+ months as with some others. Alot of care is also been taken as to avoid such disruptions, the idea of 10k prims is not do-able nor viable, but 7500 prims is and it not a change made lightly, hence the timeline being so long as should any change be made, LL will want to make the right change for both them, the Residents and the market as a whole.

2/2 - Should however a high number of people wanted to pay alot more for homesteads vs their 1/4 sims, region owners can convert full 20k regions into 2 homesteads at no cost, or into 3 homesteads with $98 one off cost, so even should the demand increase more than expectations for homesteads, there are options there for anyone with full 20k regions, region owners have options should they need to make any change, but I am in disagreement with your thoughts on this happening and I will give an example - If 4 people have land on a 20k region and have a 1/4 each and share the costs equally, the full 20k region costs $209 in total and each homestead costs $109, so this would convert a $209 income from these 4 Residents to instead pay $436 to Linden Labs to gain 1 homestead each, therefore meaning they would be paying more than double the cost for this than they would be spending if they stayed on a 1/4 region. So your suggestion of people mass migrating for a "little" more I do not find to be correct as it is alot more they would be paying extra for this and Linden Labs will gain over 50% increase in income generated which I would assume would benefit them vs them 4 people remaining on a 20k region.

I am not sure why you stating "Be honest Mark..." as everything I have said is my honest personal opinion and thoughts on the topic, I respect you have a different opinion and view from myself, but this does not mean that either you or me are right or wrong. I do agree with you on having an extra cost being added to a homestead as an upgrade option, similar to how 20k regions can be upgraded to 30k prims, this also negates your concerns of people jumping to homesteads from 1/4 regions as it increases the % I said about further which also greatly reduces any disruption risk to the market and increases revenue a little more for LL.

At the end of the day, it is ultimately up to Linden Labs to work out if they should change it, what they would change it too, what benefit it brings, what negatives it could bring, how the market could be impacted so they can negate or minimize any impact with any said changes etc, as only they have the more detailed data required to make such a decision.

We can only hope that an improvement is made that will benefit both Residents and them.