prissypaw Aldrin While I would love to see more creators make their products mod, most won't and short of making it mandatory (which I do not support). What you're suggesting is offloading a minor problem for the devs by creating a major one for the users.

Zanya Resident i don't se how it would be a major problem for the users, aside from the falacy that it protects against copy bot, or that some think the avarage user is to stupid to learn how to use secondlifes tools properly, if you are thinking liability i think it is up to the user to take responsability when they breakthings especialy things when stores have redilvery systems, you can't make an omlet without breaking a few eggs, so please do explain how it would be a bigger problem?

prissypaw Aldrin So the people who haven't learned the ins and outs of modding and building tools, something I might add keeps changing every few years, are "stupid"?

Those skills take time and effort to learn, I should know, I've been a builder since Obama's first term, but I have never been so arrogant to demand everyone else to become that familiar with them as well. Some people who have real jobs just come to this world to relax and socialize.

As for the various problems, I've addressed those across multiple posts, at least one you already replied to. I see no need to further entertain the curiosity of someone who has so much contempt for a majority of the userbase.

Zanya Resident " I've been a builder since Obama's first " i have been in sl since 2007 and have done it all so i know the processes

as for taking time i won't deny that, an appeal to epxperience though is rediculus because there is always some one who knows things you don't.

"So the people who haven't learned the ins and outs of modding and building tools, something I might add keeps changing every few years, are "stupid"?" thats how you make your argument sound, i don't consder any one stupid or incapable, however you choose to treat your customers like they are, there for it is you who say they are.

"Some people who have real jobs just come to this world to relax and socialize." this is not enough to invalidate the people who can and do learn to modify and build being locked out of that option by creators who think their customers are not good enough to handle that skill.

in the end its creators like you who do this that craete the cycle of increase and match/exceed that forces the lindens to ever increase their attachment limits, instead of being a voice in the community to find more creative ways of sloving this problem.

Zy Butcher my attachments are no mod

Zy Butcher A lot of attachments are no-mod these days.

Zanya Resident because people keep buying them and not thinking about what it costs themself and the community to vote with their money.

prissypaw Aldrin Butting heads with creators that aren't willing to make their work mod isn't going to help anyone with attachment count shortage nor will it incentivize them to cater to you, they can do as they wish and don't need to justify their reasons. If you don't like no mod items, don't buy them. We don't need to choose either or, both can exist at the same time.

Cynos3D Resident i already choose not to use bodies and parts from creators who make them no mod clothing is different but body parts are a nogo i tried maitreya i hated that it was so limiting i praise bodies like ebody reborn for their choice to be modify when ever it comes up, even if i didn't like the shape it provided, i still use older bodies like kemono because they are mod and are supported by some of the items that make me me, butting heads with creators allows others to see who they realy are even if it exposes who i am, some one has to do it for the sake of transparency and honesty.

Moo Boo Doesn't work with no-mod deformers, btw

Moo Boo Unh? I am not sure where you hangout but the places I go easily have 50-101 avatars almost daily. Real players no bots.

Moo BooThey never said it wouldn't happen, they're probably concerned about the increased scene load and are looking for ways of further optimizing SL before adding additional load.

Zanya Resident if the community were to opt for mod items instead of no mod items thos attachments could be linked to the hair/body or what ever reducing attachment points, this is a personal managment issue not a SL issue.

prissypaw Aldrin I don't find it helpful to bring up "IF". Creators who make their items "no-mod" aren't going to be moved and if LL makes it mandatory all that will happen is fewer sellers.

Zanya Resident this is the problem and its cultural one but a valid reason to not force it, however the cycle of increasing attachment sizes and maxing them out willl continue at this rate we have aleready had one increase.

prissypaw Aldrin Cycle? What cycle?

How many times has the attachment number been increased in the last 20 years?

Zanya Resident atleast once since my start in 2007, maybe more durring the development cycle in the early days, they had also added many of the attachment points you now enjoy because viewers had added them and it caused a mismatch of experience for those who didn't use one of these viewers, and what happened we are here again with people asking for another increase.

prissypaw AldrinI don't reeeealy want to keep doing this, it's hacky, tedious and forces me to wear clumped outfits instead of allowing me to freely interchange parts, this is very much a workaround solution and after 20 years i'm dooooooooooooooooooooooooone with hacky workaround solutions, fix the underlying problems.

Cynos3D Resident the things to link are the avatar parts head, hands, feet, tail, wings etc. not clothing, and unless you like only one hair style not hair, so if you are using it right its not realy a hacky work aorund, as for reaching limit if you are attaching that much in outfits you are just going to run into run into the issue again because you will just attach more.

Rheia Silvercloud, nothing to do with computers from 2011, it is because of several factors such as broadband date downloaded packet and LL server sim load. LL has to find a goldylocks mean else vast majority will have data capping implimented by service providers. Result sim crash, massive lag avitar complixity reduced to under cap limit.

steph Arnott To be honest, it's also about client-side issues, and those are built for lowest system possible to run SL circa 15 years prior. The sim itself, which isn't actually displaying the avatar (and thus suffers no lag regardless), isn't the primary point of issue here. The client, which DOES have to display the avatar at the chosen level of detail (dependent upon client settings) is the bottleneck and possible point of failure. Thus, LL sets things up with the idea that SL must run "acceptably" (a term as variable as I could possibly imagine, as I have never to this day seen what that means in terms of hardware vs. performance) on a machine approximately 66% of the age of SL in the first place. Currently, even a modest (and no longer commonly used, possibly defunct) service such as Digital Subscriber Line can handle the actual data bandwidth.

Rheia Silvercloud to be fair, furry avis have less of an issue there, as the parts are mod most of the time, so you can go to a sandbox, rez everything and link it together. I usually have the body separate, but link tail, ears, head, paws and one unrigged attachment together.

Human stuff creators usually don't give a mod option, so that's an issue for them.

Though as somebody doing a silly minigame on SL that uses stuff that breaks once it's linked together, and needs to attach 6 things just for it to work... yeah. ~50 attachment points should be more than plenty

Rheia Silvercloud its a personal management issue, where possible with rigged mesh link those that are modify to reduce attachment point usage, opt for modify items over no modify and don't give me the my favorit items are no modify, they get away with that because you buy it, if you didn't buy it they would make nothing and have to revise their policy.

AlettaMondragon Resident 😁