Really hide Online Status
tracked
lordsoylent Resident
If the online status is set to "hidden", it should not be able for scripts (i.e. "Online monitors") to reveal the avatar.
An exception could be made if the scripted item and the avatar are in the same parcel (for shopping reasons etc.).
Log In
Spidey Linden
Merged in a post:
Join friends, suggested "find me on the world map" changes
nya Resident
I think Second Life really lacks a way to tell what all your friends are up to. Most platforms will list your friends, and what they're up to (if they've chosen to broadcast that).
The "find me on the world map" feature is limited, and not great for privacy as you can't disable it on a whim for all friends. Plus, showing up unannounced can be a bit of a surprise.
I'd suggest maybe a feature that lets you flag yourself as "joinable", and then your friends will be able to see that from their friends lists. MVP example attached. Not to mention there's a lot of possible potential like hooking into active events, etc.
Could possibly rework the existing "find me on the world map" into a feature that:
- Enabling "find me on the world map" displays like in the example below
- A toggle to temporarily hide location, or/and a list of regions you don't want to broadcast
Pazako Karu
This would mix well with a general status message. "Shopping (join me)" or "Clubbing (join me)" and a toggle if it follows you after teleport (or a Continue button on teleport).
I'd certainly want it to expire after a while (or teleport), in case you've passed out or gotten distracted from the main event.
Celestine Ghiardie
This would be very useful for a teacher starting a class too.
Alwin Alcott
don't put it on as start... and it's solved, IM somebody and ásk if they want company
nya Resident
Alwin Alcott say you have 100 friends, and you can’t see anything going on at your usual spots; it would be a lot more convenient if friends were ordered by joinable, online, and away.
The other way around, say I'm having a party or something of the likes -- do I open a conference chat with all 100? That doesn't tend to go down too well.
Madi Melodious
This will mess up vendors that check your online status when you buy something.
Daemonika Nightfire
But then it would make sense if avatars who show themselves as offline can no longer interact with anyone during this time, because it is ridiculous if you talk/write to someone who is actually offline.
Sammy Huntsman
To add to that when you block them, it automatically mutes and derenders them. As well as hides your profile to them.
Spidey Linden
tracked
Issue accepted. We have no estimate when it may be implemented. Please see future release notes for this fix.
Certified Lunasea
Spidey Linden: DaniSkunk Resident is correct here, to do this for more than just the viewer you are looking at a lot of alterations and adding this would break a great deal of content.
Content intended for customer service is one area that would be impacted greatly by such changes. Consider the following three classes of heavily used Customer Service products:
Online indicators:
Online indicators would be negatively impacted by this, including those that allow customers to send messages to CSRs and store owners that may or may not be online (or on the same parcel if OPs exception was also implemented). The impact is even more severe for those that allow sending messages to CSRs as these would break as they are currently coded and the only fix would be to either monitor memory usage due to having to consistently store messages (refusing to store any further after a certain memory limit) or send them along indiscriminately.
Item/Message delivery and Subscription Services:
Item/message delivery and subscription systems designed to prevent message capping by not sending items/message to those that are offline would be similarly broken by this.
Visitor Greeters and/or Visitor Notification systems:
Some greeters and visitor notification objects that give notification of new visitors to one or more online users may also break if such was implemented. This would also effect vendors, group invitation objects/bots, subscription services, and re-delivery systems that check online status to prevent loss of inventory/messages.
Furthermore, any user that forgets that they have set their status to display as offline may have their ability to reliably run scripted objects or obtain requested services from others severely diminished. This would likely result in complaints about users having messages capped far more often due to the need for these products to be re-worked and replaced to simply send messages or items indiscriminately regardless of online status of the recipient.
Additionally, Implementing this proposed change would increase the server load because the system would have to check if the target users online status was being hidden or not (and if the OPs exception were implemented this would also need to see if the user is on the same parcel) before providing the return to said scripting calls to determine whether a scripted object would be allowed to work as it does now, or if it should have it's return altered.
In summation: Implementation of this proposed change would be ill-advised at best. It would increase server loads as well as significantly increase the operating costs and number of complaints for both LL and businesses within Second Life. The negative effects of this proposal being implemented would be disproportionate to any benefit it may provide to any users wishing for such.
Snow Frostypaws
Certified Lunasea Exactly. This is a social issue and not a systemic one. This would break so many things, like you said, it would not be worth it. Personally, I've never been a fan of this trend of programs allowing the user to manipulate online status anyhow.
On another note, I would recommend this user just block this person and move on. The block tool in SL, because of the platforms unique nature, can only do so much but this is reasonable.
There has always been trolls in SL and there always will be. This user needs to face their issue head on instead of trying to find other ways around it. It's also worth mentioning that this is a digital reality and no safety is at risk here. The best someone can do is annoy you and if you don't feed the trolls, they won't keep coming back. Simple as that.
Darling Brody
Spidey Linden Don't do it!
As many people have already pointed out it will break a lot of content that legitimately needs to know if the avatar is online before taking an action that would fail badly if the status returned was not accurate.
An avatar's online status in the viewer was never meant to be a cloak of invisibility. People using it this way should just make an alt to hide from their ex like the rest of us!
Alvi Halderman
This feature is much needed and it's been too long without it. I understand how this is very complicated from the backend. However, it is ridiculous that there is no way to actually hide that someone is online, maybe if there was just a way to make the UUID of the avatar not change its status on login?
DaniSkunk Resident
hidden can be hidden from the viewer, but the backend would need major changes as there is so much tied to the agent data request and it would break existing items, and tons of items from long gone creators.
Certified Lunasea
DaniSkunk Resident: Don't forget the increase in server loads if this were implemented. The price (monetarily, labor-wise, broken products, and increased complaints) to implement far outweighs any perceived benefits.
Requested changes for groups has already been mentioned, so what would be next? How about changing the mini-map or the world map so that only those not appearing offline are shown? Alter the message system to send the offline response if a user appears to be offline? If using voice should the avatars speech be able to be heard by those it appears offline to? Should the users avatar be rendered or physics enabled at all to others it is appearing offline to?
I am not opposed to people wanting some privacy, but at what point does Linden Lab draw the line at which this kind of request is no longer considered reasonable given the impact to functionality that implementing said request would have to content creators, merchants, land owners, and other end-users?
Load More
→