Allow Faster Orb Ejection for Linden Home Skyboxes Above 2,000 Meters
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Asher Nightfall
I would like Linden Lab to consider separate security orb settings for Linden Home skyboxes located above 2,000 meters.
The current 15-second warning makes sense at ground level. Someone may accidentally cross a parcel while walking, driving, boating, or flying through Bellisseria, and they should have time to leave without being immediately ejected.
A private skybox several thousand meters in the air is different. Someone entering an enclosed home at that height is much less likely to be passing through by accident. They may have followed a Resident, teleported to the location, or deliberately flown toward the home.
During the required warning period, an unwanted visitor can already enter the home, approach the people inside, touch objects, use furniture, or trigger animations before the orb removes them.
I am not asking for traditional ban lines or for public travel areas to be blocked. I am asking Linden Lab to allow stronger orb settings above 2,000 meters, such as a shorter warning time or an instant-eject option.
Ground-level parcels could keep the current 15-second rule, while high-altitude homes could have separate settings that better protect private residential spaces.
This would keep Bellisseria open for exploration while giving Linden Home residents better protection in skyboxes where accidental entry is far less likely.
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Yorkie Bardeen
Let's do a deal. Over 2000m in Belli gets 0 second orbs, so long as every mainland region simulator throttles orbs with a mandatory 15 second delay in the TP/eject function below 2000m.
AlettaMondragon Resident
The skybox level (above 2000 meters) probably doesn't see much air traffic anyway, but what can happen in those 15 seconds until your security device kicks the intruder from your skybox or platform? They can hop on a couch or turn on a washing machine, then poof? If anyone does that, that is what the ban list is for, then they can't enter and can't touch objects either.
lale Delvalle
Space ships over main land fly at 3000m. In a plane I never fly at or above 400m. Flights I do over Belli is more like 160m and I also fly 100% protected water. So I don't care what you do to need a 0 sec orb. You'll be no better a person than a 0 sec orb owner on the mainland.
Lacie Nolan
lale Delvalle I have no idea what the covenant is on mainland far as flying, but if you fly at those levels you say you do in Bellisseria, then your pretty much violating the covenant.
AlettaMondragon Resident
Lacie Nolan The Bellisseria covenant doesn't prohibit flying at any altitude. It designates the airspace between 400 and 2000 meters altitude, but that is a restriction for the landowners
only
, which means security devices or anything else must not even disturb
anyone flying through. No 15 seconds warning or anything. If someone crosses your Linden Home parcel between 400 and 2000 meters, they must not be detected by a device that can kick them. That is exactly how the provided security system does it (it measures altitude above ground, not absolute).If anyone wishes to fly at 3500m or hug the treeline or whatever, they can, they just have to take the 15 second warning time outside of the designated airspace. The
only
part of the covenant that applies to aviation as well as to everyone else is to respect the privacy of homes.Lacie Nolan
AlettaMondragon Resident this is about being ABOVE 2k meters. Flying is to be between 400 and 2000. There is no reason to be flying above 2k when all there is is building platforms and skyboxes in Belli.
Yea shame people don't respect those homes, otherwise this whole thread wouldn't be an issue.
AlettaMondragon Resident
Lacie Nolan There is no restriction for flying at any altitude. The restriction applies to security devices only. 400-2000m: safe airspace. Any other altitude: unsafe airspace subject to 15 minutes ejection time if the landowner chooses to.
Garnet Psaltery
I use platforms at that height for building. While I've never yet been bothered by anyone up there I can see that it could be disturbing for people wanting to be left in peace. I'd support an instant-eject option in this case.
Lacie Nolan
I totally agree.
NO one should be above the 2k limit other then the people that belong there, ones living there or their invited guests.
If your not on the 'list' you don't belong there and shouldn't be allowed to just show up during any time they wish to and invade privacy of the people who belong there.
Even in the covenant it says.......
-Effective range cannot include the airspace between 400m and 2000m (to allow for people to fly overhead but not in the airspace where skyboxes are allowed)
Far as flying, anyone flying over 2k really does not belong there. Only view you get is skyboxes so why are you flying that high to start with? You have 1600 meters up to flying, if thats not enough space I honestly don't know what more you need.
Really anyone going above 2k has no business being there other then being invited or living there.
AlettaMondragon Resident
Lacie Nolan OK I have to put this here, too:
The Bellisseria covenant doesn't prohibit flying at any altitude. It designates the airspace between 400 and 2000 meters altitude, but that is a restriction for the landowners
only
, which means security devices or anything else must not even disturb
anyone flying through. No 15 seconds warning or anything. If someone crosses your Linden Home parcel between 400 and 2000 meters, they must not be detected by a device that can kick them. That is exactly how the provided security system does it (it measures altitude above ground, not absolute).If anyone wishes to fly at 3500m or hug the treeline or whatever, they can, they just have to take the 15 second warning time outside of the designated airspace. The only
part of the covenant that applies to aviation as well as to everyone else is to respect the privacy of homes.
What you quoted from the covenant is the security device restrictions, so it actually means that the effective range of
your security device
must not include the airspace between 400 and 2000 meters.Outside of that range anyone else is at risk of the
minimum 15 seconds
warning time to clear the parcel.The rules are there and written very clearly, and that part has been like that for several years, so there is no need to try and spread misinformation that suits your narrative. Linden Homes come with restrictions and these restrictions are clear at the moment you claim your home.
Lacie Nolan
AlettaMondragon Resident you wrote this twice? Wow
I was not trying to spread misinformation, that was directly copy/pasted from the covenant itself.
Ember Ember
Lacie Nolan You are misinterpreting what the covenant says. What you quoted is the effective range for security orbs, not for traveling vehicles. There is no restriction for vehicles' altitude in Bellisseria. Aletta wrote it twice because you are still misunderstanding the convenant in attempt to make it sound like there are restrictions on vehicle altitude.
Cuddles Supply
Agreed. Would like to see this change.
spirit Wingtips
One Reason for the 15 second Time Frame is so People in Aircraft ( yes people fly over and around belliseria ) if they come near can have time to leave after being warned from security 15 seconds is reasonable.
Cuddles Supply
spirit Wingtips few to none are flying at 2,000 meters or higher. It's a non-issue.
Ember Ember
Cuddles Supply Spacecraft owners consistently stay around 3000m, so it's not a non-issue.
Cuddles Supply
Ember Ember Ah, "the space craft retort." in my 18 years in SL I have seen exactly 0 space craft in flight. I know they exist, but I'd say they are rare. However, residents of Belli that want some enforceable privacy are far, far more numerous than what I will guess is less than 1% or residents or even fliers.
So perhaps a suggested floor for 0 second orbs should be 3, 000m.
AlettaMondragon Resident
Cuddles Supply Yeah but a light bridge that can be activated by touch is a big problem according to you. It seems like you just want to make it more difficult to use vehicles, like it isn't difficult enough with the crappy crossings, viewer issues, etc.
steph Arnott
majority are bots and you can do nothing about them