Convert abandoned mainland to public forests
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Feorie Frimon
For this idea, I'm suggesting that 3-4 regions of abandoned mainland are built out as forest on each mainland continent. A 'real life' example might be something like a national forest found in the US.
Each continent could have it's own theme for the forest (jungle, swamp, redwood, beachy?, etc.), and have trails/plants/flora/fauna.
Each forest would have a small rez zone (so you can rez a bike or a horse or something).
PROS
- You don't need to make any new regions. Claim 3 to 4 regions in areas that are mostly abandoned. Every mainland continent has spots like this.
- You add instant real estate value to all of those parcels near the new forest that didn't have any value before - a 'protected Linden Forest view' on the mainland would be awesome.
- Volunteers could build it. The precedent has already been laid for volunteers to build large scale events/projects in association with the Mole and Linden teams. I am confident that a call for volunteers would yield an amazing a list of mainland loving builders.
- Cost to build it would just be whatever time is needed for the Linden / Mole to keep an eye on how the builder team is doing.
CONS
I have no idea how you'd 'sell those parcels' near the forest in a fair way, but I'm sure there are lessons learned from 'the old days' about how to release new land for people to purchase etc.
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Talia Tokugawa
A potential additional aspect I don't think I've seen mentioned and certainly an aspect to large forest areas run by governments in RL..
Camping. If there was a way to do short terms lets to book a camp sitewith some basic additional functionality for the renter that would provide an income stream for these areas so they would have a small budget for other things or even split that stream with the lab so it's not a total money pit. But it would be great to have a variety of different parks suited to each continent where you could go for a quiet weekend.
Dammit can't I make it through a single comment without another idea fighting for attention from the previous..
Collectibles. If there were a variety of different biomes for each of the continents they there could also be a variant of different collectibles.. I am sure the first prims down are likely a passport terminal but I was thinking more along that lines of different fish in each biome and achievements for the collecting of them. Or bug collecting. or wild flowers or mushrooms... rare stones. Whole lot of opportunity for both gamification and education.
Gorgeous Aurelia
This idea is great! You could have a group of volunteers join a Landscaping group and with approval, empty parcels of mainland waiting to be sold/auctioned could become forests. I would put restrictions on the forest such as landscaping only, no builds, no signs. This doesn't cost Linden Lab anything and improves the surroudnings for everyone, and maybe even create some parcel privacy. I don't think traffic would become a problem at all, just dont advertise it or host events at these pop-up forest parcels. The land is already there, let's do something with it until it finds a new owner!
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Abnor Mole
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Abnor Mole
These are both interesting and very similar ideas that have been bantered about before. The obvious first difficulty is of course finding areas where this treatment is appropriate (i.e. without having to kick someone out of their parcel). The other consideration is that while it may make the land nearby more desirable, any time land is added to a "protected" status it means the Lab has to support that land as an overhead cost in perpetuity. While one can argue the land has been sitting mostly unused for a long time already and is therefore already an overhead cost, designating it as forever Linden Owned means it could never even potentially be owned and supported by a resident owner either. There's the rub.
But we will mark this as Tracked for now.
Dorie Bernstein
Abnor Mole With the forest idea, the land could still be sold or auctioned. The new owners would then return objects, unless the landscaping transfers to the new owners. This lets the land look good until new owners find it.
Bryce Sun
Abnor Mole I would be happy to build all of these for ya'll with what I already have in my inventory - Then when/if it gets sold, they can return the objects.
One of the fun things is building around other owned parcels in a way that benefits the current owners. I was part of the building team for NatureConn a few years back and built the Visitor's centers previously on each continent. I have all the resources, talent and time, I would just need rez rights. No skin off any Mole's back :) I am happy to provide a sample :)
Feorie Frimon
Abnor Mole “any time land is added to a "protected" status it means the Lab has to support that land as an overhead cost in perpetuity”
In Belli, we add community ‘public spaces’ to regions that also have resident homes. The cost from paying residents in Belli homes’ covers the ‘offset’ of costs for those public spaces in the Belli regions.
I don’t see how this would be any different; residents that purchase and own the land around the forest/lake have mainland tier - that go to support costs for the region the resident is ‘living on’.
There are lots of old ‘Linden Owned’ land parcels on the mainland - that residents can never own or pay tier for.
In the spirit of trying to find a solution - How’s mainland tier different than the premium subscription model in Belli in this instance?
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Abnor Mole
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Add 'Linden owned 'Great Lakes' to mainland (using abandoned land)
Feorie Frimon
For this idea, I'm suggesting that a few giant lakes be added to the mainland continents. A 'real life' example might be something like the 'great lakes' found in the United States.
Unlike many of the other mainland lakes that residents can own, these would be Linden owned lakes - ones that residents can't own and always stay the way they were intended to be built out.
PROS
You don't need to make any new regions. Claim 3 to 4 regions in areas that are mostly abandoned. Every mainland continent has spots like this.
You add instant real estate value to all of those parcels near the water that didn't have any value before - a 'protected Linden water view' seemed to hold a lot of value in Second Life real estate.
Volunteers could build it - even if a Mole or Linden does the terraforming and the volunteer team does the rest. The precedent has already been laid for volunteers to build large scale events/projects in association with the Mole and Linden teams. I am confident that a call for volunteers would yield an amazing a list of mainland loving builders.
These lakes could be a really cool way to cater to other communities and to 'flex some of Second Life's building/creator capabilities'. What if one had an epic mermaid 'thing' at the bottom? What about ship wrecks or animesh whales or something? With PBR? Could be cool...
Cost to build it would just be whatever time is needed for the Linden / Mole to keep an eye on how the builder team is doing.
CONS
I have no idea how you'd 'sell those parcels' near the lake in a fair way, but I'm sure there are lessons learned from 'the old days' about how to release new land for people to purchase etc.
Current residents may not be thrilled about suddenly living next to a public-ish lake. I personally think traffic would spike when it opened, and then settle down (ultimately adding only value to the property...but only if they wanted to live near water....)
shug Maitland
When the Mainland Continents were new there were trees by default. These were planted by little LL planting bots. With a few scripting tweeks these could be used again on larger abandoned plots. Perhaps scripted to stay 10M from boundries. You can still find these abandoned bots stranded around.
This would not be making a forest, but returning the land to an original state. At least not totally vacant land.
Asadora Summers
'Instant real estate value' meaning landlords, big real estate companies would have a field day and yet the average 'I just want some land in a good place and afford it' Joe would be out of luck.
It creates more problems between residents and big real estate companies as well as those wanting to make instant money by making small areas of 'Blake Sea' type locations where prices are eye-watering and space is cramped.
Regarding Moles making these block forests, let's hope it wouldn't be first generation trees, eh? Once a Mole places a tree and even if it encroaches onto someone's property they don't come and take it back up for one person. I doubt they would have the personnel and time to do it for everyone who lived near these block forests.
The con that was stated is a big problem. Abandoned land is for everyone, set at a standard rate of 1L per sq.meter. To artificially inflate that price to buy a block forest or land near a block forest would seriously limit the people would could actually afford it.
Mainland is for everyone. Mainland is a chance for anyone to own their own land. This idea would put that into jeopardy.
I love Mainland. What I love most about it is the freedom and choice of living experiences. This idea would impact on that for potential new land owners and the average resident.
Feorie Frimon
Asadora Summers Why? Over 60% of the mainland is abandoned. How would 3-4 regions of already abandoned land (out of hundreds) make it to where the average person can’t claim any abandoned land any more? Or anywhere else?
shug Maitland
"Once a Mole places a tree and even if it encroaches onto someone's property they don't come and take it back up for one person."
You can return anyone's stuff, even if it only encroaches minimally. The root does not have to be on your land.
William Gide
Asadora Summers As Feorie has said, the national forest concept only covers a few regions per continent. The idea I and a few others have also suggested here (which is related, but not identical to Feorie's starting feedback), of landscaping all abandoned land, doesn't remove the land from the abandoned state but just makes it a lot less ugly while it waits for a new owner.
Finn Pixelbottom
I would love for this to happen. I've spotted a few little areas where the Moles decorated abandoned land, and it looks really pretty.
HoRnIvOrE Resident
Just because it looks empty at the land level doesn’t mean the parcel is empty. I appreciate the sentiment but it would be a patchwork forest at best.
William Gide
HoRnIvOrE Resident An occasional bald patch is still preferable to the substantial tracts of jaggedy emptiness that exist now (IMHO, of course).
Feorie Frimon
HoRnIvOrE Resident The ones I’m thinking of are 90% abandoned; not patch worked.
You can find them in the middle of the continents where there are no roads or scenic attractions.
Dorie Bernstein
I'm completely in support of this idea. Even populating abandoned parcels with the Linden trees and grasses from the Build menu would be preferable to the empty swaths of crazy terraformed wastelands. I also join with others in volunteering to be on the landscaping crew.
shug Maitland
I completely agree, see my comment above.
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