Ridgewood Enclave Commercial - Unused spaces
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Bondagegirl Porta
Given the popularity but also the typical churn of additions like these i think it would be useful to allow people to submit a request for unused (but claimed) spots in the commercial districts.
I understand currently it is all very new so this is not an immediate suggestion, but having some way, in a few weeks / months time to be able to stake a claim to a store that has not been utilised after being claimed would also help active people who are really interested in sharing their creations in these spots to gain the ability to do so, that were previously unable to.
Perhaps a system similar to the method used for being able to have abandoned land portioned off to claim?
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Oatmeal Linden
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Hello Bondagegirl! Thanks for the suggestion! These parcels are self-assigned, using the "Available" sign on the store front. It is best to stand within the parcel to claim it when it becomes available.
We have just updated the covenant for the Linden Homes Commercial regions, which you may find in the About Land panel for any parcel on the region. This update addresses your concern about empty stores.
If you discover an issue on your own store parcel, please file a bug report here, or use a support ticket in the Land&Region > Linden Home category to let us know.
If you believe that a violation of the covenant has occurred, please take the time to file an abuse report for the issue, with as much specific detail as possible.
If you have any ideas for improving this program, we would love to hear it!
Thanks!
Persephone Emerald
I think Belli shop owners should have 30 days after April 1st to put something for sale in their shop. They can still add, remove and change things later.
diamond Marchant
I believe charging tier for commercial parcels (as Patch implied when announcing these at SL22B) would help alleviate this problem. Also, an option of smaller parcels (512s or 256s) would help.
Pepsi Pixels
Also a reminder, those initial stores went down for a while, that put things into a spin set up wise.
That said, a store should be in use as it's own entity.
Any post 3 months still unused should be recycled back for use.
If in 3 months nothing appeared, that is more than a grace period to have set up.
Additionally the volunteer Bellisseria support Mentors for Bellisseria should be utilised for the checks. Several were highly abused having been caught on the hop unaware commercial activity was now active in the Ridgewoods.
Those Bellisseria Mentors have been for very beneficial to new and old residents getting into membership plans and a home in Bellisseria. LL should at least utilise them more.
Timothy McGregor
Pepsi Pixels What is a "volunteer support mentor"?
Pepsi Pixels
Timothy McGregor volunteer Bellisseria mentors, Bellisseria Help Group is one you will find them in, they are trained volunteers by Mini Mole (I think that's the right Mole) and also belong to a group named 'Bellisseria Mentors' group. You can find them at the Bellisseria welcome hub, Linden Home demo areas or the Bellisseria home sandbox, tags over their heads. They can advise & help guide through membership plans, home themes etc. If you get lucky find one that will take you around Bellisseria to see the different regions & if very lucky, one or two that will help you out decor wise until you have enough to do it yourself. Ideal for new residents or any setting up home for a first time.
Using these volunteers would be beneficial as they are there for Bellisseria.
Timothy McGregor
Pepsi Pixels Thanks. I'm opposed to employing non-lindens for any sort of enforcement duties.
Pepsi Pixels
Timothy McGregor as I said volunteer Bellisseria mentors, to do the checks, they can report back as they do to their official mentor group and have the Moles/ Lindens confirm and those act if/ when neccessay. Leaves the Moles & Lindens to continue their work building, maintaining etc. These volunteer Bellisseria mentors have no powers other than to report back. That could be utilised as part of their check duties & help. Mini mole runs the official mentorship group.
Jez Bookmite
Sadly, there were instances of several shops being claimed by one person, trying perhaps to "reserve" them for friends. I think that there should be a limit of one shop per person to try to stop such workarounds of the free shop claiming system.
Also, I would ask LL to please consider that full-time merchants really don't have the time to stand around in front of a shop which has been abandoned (and may become available at any time!) because they need to work.
While standing around waiting for an abandoned shop to become available, I was also subjected to verbal abuse, including threats of bad MP reviews if I didn't leave and let the friend of the person who had abandoned the shop claim the abandoned shop.
I'd like to suggest a registration system, such as the one for the free booths at LL Shop & Hop events, which would enable people to express interest and give details of what kind of items would be on sale at the shop. I believe this would also lead to a good mix of shops and less likelihood of these commercial districts becoming ghost towns which people don't want to visit.
I would also suggest a time limit for setup, again like the system for the Shop & Hop events.
Boots Shamrock
Strongly support this. It’s bad enough in residential areas. I had a traditional and it was like a ghost town because people had claimed all the houses but were not using them. Not the community that LL envisioned I’m sure.
Pepsi Pixels
Boots Shamrock Community is lacking which kind of defeats the purpose of Bellisseria has community hubs, like Merry Mount , The Drunken Mouse etc.
lifeon13 Resident
Would love to see claiming possible only if marketplace exists + periodic parcel checks for evidence of vendors. Release the claim if multiple of the parcel checks 'fail' in a row, notification of warning whenever there's a fail so the owner can resolve or appeal it before being booted and some grace for activity.
Vendors are third party, and vary greatly, but what remains consistent is the vendor scripts hold permission to change the owning accounts balance. That common detail should make it possible to sample the rezed objects of a region and parcel to check it's actually in commercial use.
Of course, if someone uses a dummy script with the perm to bypass the check and not genuinely have anything for sale then honestly it should fall into a covenant violation.
Definitely need to strike a balance between forever empty stores and simple mistakes/rough points in activity
Bondagegirl Porta
lifeon13 Resident While i agree with what you are saying, not all people use vendors for their items, i know of at least one who just has "Buy copy of contents" set up on their store so not a perfect system, however i agree with the principle of what you are saying.
lifeon13 Resident
Bondagegirl Porta No worries, I think they can check for the direct object buy settings even easier & I assume that's what is already currently sought by the covanent
deplove Resident
I agree with you, and this morning (European time zone) I went there hoping to find an available store. But maybe there are just too many Premium Plus creators and the area is very small, so they were all already taken. But some lots are empty, without even a store logo or a “work in progress” sign. Now I think some people who aren’t creators at all took them just for fun. Without causing a fuss, maybe LL should dedicate a larger area and require certification—like having a store on the Marketplace—so people know you’re a merchant. Also, make the lots for sale visible on the map (like on the mainland) so people don’t waste their time looking around. I’m a bit disappointed; I used to own shops on a few lots, and the last one was in Bay City, which I eventually sold, leaving only MP.
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xDancingStarx Resident
So let's say somebody owns a store. There exist a lot of landmarks pointing to that store. They've had this store for a year. Out of whatever reason their parcel gets cleared. Maybe they intended to re-structure and forgot to place a sign, maybe by accident. Let's say they're also away for 1 week. Now they come back and find their parcel gone, and all the existing LMs pointing to a different store? The negative impact this would have is dramatic. And for the user completely unexpected, since there was nothing in the covenant that would have informed them of this possibility. This obviously can't be the way to go.
That said it could still make sense to not have parcels unused over a longer period of time. But this would need to go into the Covenant. Maybe "the parcel must not be unused for 30 days"? And the parcel owner needs to be notified before their parcel gets just taken away, possibly multiple times. This process could be very tricky to implement. And then also you get additional problems like invalid email addresses.
People with an empty store could still circumvent the re-claim by putting placebo items in their store. They will keep their store. You will be able to re-claim parcels of users who don't care, or who are hindered by RL.
Also I don't see why this mechanism would only exist for stores and not for Linden Homes as well.
Bondagegirl Porta
xDancingStarx Resident I agree there needs to be some nuance to it, i think having a process to communicate with the owner would be important to have and not just a flat out approval process. It is not immediate, much like the abandoned land is not instant too.