Hi, Philip. Nice to see you again! Ok, well not 'see' but at least look at your text! haha. Anyway, I appreciate your looking into this matter. It sure would help exploration and travel if this were fixed up a bit :D Thanks, have a fantastic day. PS: Happy belated Valentines!

Here's a full spec you can give to your software architects: https://feedback.secondlife.com/feature-requests/p/explicitly-codify-pre-execution-delays-for-llejectfromland-lladdtolandbanlist-an

You can never make everyone happy, but this is a way to get MUCH closer than you are today.

Makes things more civilized on the mainland and connected estates, while still affording maximum control to private estates not connected to the mainland.

Behavior can change based on whether the owner, owner's partner, group members, or anyone at all (beside the ejection/ban target) are over the land. Pilot flying over empty land no one else has visited in months? No problem. Owner/partner/group actually present over the land? Different story. This is all customizable per-estate.

This DIRECTLY stops you from burning money on handling Bellissaria ARs over security orbs that violate the covenant, and it makes life better elsewhere as well.

This is not brain surgery, just CRUD and some straightforward logic changes.

As someone who has explored mainland for many many years here’s the problem.

While yes there are public roadways and routes that do allow for passage across mainland relatively unrestricted, there are a lot of landowners out there who do genuinely abuse the system with ban lines & security orbs.

Ban lines work great for restricting your parcel but are useless above 75m above the ground level (I believe I don’t recall the true height off the top of my head) so if you are in a skybox, it’s not really doing anything but proving to be an annoyance for say airport owners (like myself) who have low flying traffic they need to cross these parcels to gain access to our areas.

So here comes security orbs, again work great, but now you have a 3-5 second window to get through the area, while yes if your passing through with no issues that is great but for people who are on slower computers or crap internet this isn’t long enough to allow safe passage, or in the instance of our airfield, the vehicles don’t have enough time to get up to full speed to pass through the area without getting ejected.

While yes I do recognize that there are bad apples in the community and people who do seek to cause a disturbance, there are just as many people who just want to travel in an unrestricted manner. I mean seriously what is so wrong with setting an orb to15-30 seconds?

Yesterday I purchased my first boat and went on a 5hour trip from Blake Sea to Bellisseria Bay. I have never sailed before. I also had to learn how to use the boat. I passed through so many sims I lost count, including some really sketchy parceled areas. Not once did I run into a banline or a Security Orb. The only way you're going to run into banlines or security orbs is if you intentionally trespass on other people's parcels. If explorers are exploring to enjoy the scenery, they have plenty of time to watch out for parcel borders or the edges of SL Roads and Waterdays.

Explorers are driving and flying so fast they can't watch out for these things, or they're driving/flying slow to enjoy the scenery and intentionally going onto parcels. We shouldn't change the speed at which parcel owners can eject people based on completely avoidable circumstances. Public Roads and Waterways exist and they need to use them, stay off of people's parcels to avoid getting booted back home.

And before lag gets mentioned, I do not have a super computer, I lagged a lot in some areas (1-3fps at times!), and still managed to avoid running into parcel borders. It's purely a skill issue if you're having that much trouble navigating public roads and waterways, consider slowing down and actually enjoying the scenery or practice some more to avoid having the issues you're having. Because I, a complete noob at sailing and driving, am managing fine.

Well, as I predicted at the start, this idea has just turned into a huge argument between two groups who are almost violently opposed to each other.

Allow me to suggest something else, a 2-part solution.

1) Banlines: facilitate the option of having visibility of banlines linked to the viewer draw distance. In simple terms, the longer your draw distance, the further away you see banlines, giving vehicle users more time to "go around".

2) Orbs: There must be some kind of common component/scripting in all orbs that is used to detect intruders then kick them. Determine what that is, then have the viewer use it to encase a different-coloured banline around the parcel, linked to draw distance as per part 1. This would now allow pilots to see orbed parcels that they should avoid from far enough away so that they can again, just go round them.

This idea gives all explorers, regardless of what vehicle they are on, a clear visible indication of areas they need to avoid, whilst at the same time, lets parcel owners maintain their chosen privacy/security settings.

No idea if its possible, but surely it's a better idea than other suggestions that only give more rights to one group, at the expense of another.

This is a good way to get even more people to abandon their Mainland parcels.

Don't do this.

I'm not fully aware of the scope of this problem, but likely people will just alternative functions to achieve a similar result if only a singular function is affected. If this is a caveat that can be applied to all administrative functions exclusively on mainland regions, that would be ideal as this is where they're most problematic from my experience. I do see the issue of everyone just setting their parcels to limited access which is equally if not more disruptive if the goal is to make travel seamless.

However, private regions could see numerous issues due to the heightened security that a more strict, closely regulated system would provide which exposes them to attacks these systems are designed to prevent through their ability to act rapidly.

There is no ideal solution to this issue short of disallowing the use of these functions as part of the region's covenant or through region settings in areas where they would be most problematic. However, doing this will make these regions less desirable for those who seek privacy and control over their plots.

I just want to reiterate one more time that I want everyone who says they should be given a few seconds on everyone else's parcels to think for one moment about someone other than yourselves. Think hard about all the ways a free pass onto private property will be misused and abused to cause grief to the person paying for the parcel. It will be misused. The right to trespass will be abused. There is no Governance to help. There is no support to stop griefers. I know most of you don't care one iota about the negative side-effects of taking away privacy controls, but I would like you to care about others even if its just a tiny care. You have the right to travel all public areas in your vehicles. Philip, please travel with an honest explorer that doesnt purposely aim you at every orb they already know about just to inflate the problem for selfish gain.

To help pilots/drivers/sailors but still negatively affect griefers:

All of the above should be implemented server-side so even griefers with customized viewers cannot sidestep the restrictions.

We can also, in addition, penalize repeat offenders by reducing their grace period for every banline violation the past N days.

Also the idea of sending banlines info of all parcels in a region to the viewer would be a great help for pilots/drivers/sailors to plan their route. (This does not help with security orbs, though, but we can think of other ways for that.)

The largest issue caused by adding a built in delay to or is that it may allow someone to do something unwanted by or to a parcel owner or allowed resident. Although the majority of people act benevolently, there are quite a few who aim to cause misery in one form or another.

The other issue, is that by the addition of a delay, it does alter how one is able to control access to their land as allowed by their limited license they have for 'owning' the virtual land. If a change is made, how will that change be communicated? What due diligence is required, if any, to notify land owners adequately of the coming change so they can adjust?

I've been thinking about a solution. While lag is annoying and happens, adequate warning that an impassible obstacle or security orb is going to be an issue would be very useful in a majority of cases. One of these situations is easier to solve for as it's easy to tell if ban lines are on a parcel as that data already gets sent to the viewer. Having an option to crank up the distance (50-100m?) at which one can see ban lines would be beneficial.

The issue that would be a larger lift though, is detecting aggressive orbs and offering some visual indicator. While most security orbs follow a similar flow in terms of LSL, coding styles are like finger prints. The other issue would be how to determine the time. Most of that information lives in the script memory, so not something easily accessed or shared I'd imagine. Data could be tracked, if an agent is ejected or TP'd home as they arrive at the parcel, that could indicate an aggressive orb. Likely too much overhead to calculate things like that. I think the best that could be done, at least from LL's side that would be potentially low effort and still informational would be putting up caution lines around any parcel that has an object with a script that contains the or functions.. sort of an 'enter at your own risk' visual warning. Could possibly add a database field that gets flipped on or off at compilation if either of those two functions exist in a script.

While information like that would be beneficial to drivers, sailors, and pilots.. it can also enable and facilitate people who want to grief or troll. So, unfortunately as with everything else.. it's a double edged sword. At least it's not an idea that deprives anyone of their current abilities.