Land & Public Works

This feedback is in follow-up to my recent support ticket regarding the possibility of expanding navigable waterways across Mainland. In the reply to my ticket, I was encouraged to submit locations through Feedback where expanding waterways might be appropriate. Jeogeot is the first continent I am trying to explore for this purpose. I attempted to travel around Jeogeot by boat to identify specific regions where waterways are blocked or disconnected, but I found that this is an issue across much of the continent rather than at only a few individual locations. In several areas I tried moving my boat across land in edit mode so I could continue exploring from the next available waterway, but I was not successful. I also had difficulty finding public locations where I could rez my boat, which made exploring the existing waterways even more difficult. From what I have been able to explore so far, Jeogeot would benefit from considerably more connected navigable water. Where Linden-owned or protected land makes it possible, I would like to suggest reviewing the continent for opportunities to create or connect waterways and to add more public boat rez locations. Even relatively small connections between existing bodies of water could open up much larger boating routes and make Jeogeot much more accessible for boating and exploration. I have also attached an example image showing one area where the waterways are blocked or disconnected. This is just one example of the broader issue I encountered while trying to navigate Jeogeot by boat.

At the moment, South Sansara has almost zero protected coastlines, except for a few around the rentable "Elements" regions near Bellisseria. On the World Map, Sansara already appears to have such a coast, but it actually doesn't. The entire coastline is overdeveloped with private parcels and ban lines. No provision of a Protected Waterway was ever made. Boat-owning parcel owners on this faux "coast" are basically trapped within their own parcels with no direct access to open seas. A southern coastline would give the Snowlands regions full north and south accessibility to boats and aircraft. Chamonix City could be encircled with a perimeter of protected water channels/regions, while allowing space for Chamonix City to expand further, should it wish to do so in the future. A southern coastline would link to existing protected coastlines north of Chamonix City that extend further north along the Snowlands, the Vehicle Testing Sandboxes, to Nova Albion, Bay City, the ANWR Channel and Heterocera continent. Please consider building Sansara a fit and proper southern coastline, something it has never had for the last 23+ years and is long overdue for.

In August 2024, I submitted a proposal suggesting an SLRR underwater tunnel connection between the Heterocera Atoll, in the Cecropia region, and Bay City, in the Manyiminya region. That proposal was eventually declined after internal discussion by the LDPW, with Abnor Mole explaining several important concerns: the proposed route did not connect entirely through land owned or controlled by Linden Lab or the LDPW, the existing terminus points were not well suited for an underwater tunnel connection, and the route would require significant terraforming while potentially affecting older Linden and LDPW underwater content. 【 https://feedback.secondlife.com/ldpw/p/slrr-underwater-tunnel-connection-between-the-heterocera-atoll-cecropia-region-a】 This revised proposal is intended to take those concerns into account and suggest a more practical, less disruptive alternative. ## Proposal Summary I would like to propose a new SLRR underwater railway tunnel between Heterocera Atoll and Bay City, but with a different alignment and a different starting point from the 2024 proposal. Instead of attempting to connect directly from the existing SLRR terminus or from land not fully controlled by the LDPW, this revised proposal would start in Cecropia, on LDPW-owned land near the existing pipeline that runs toward the offshore oil platform. A new rail platform could be built above or alongside the pipeline area in Cecropia, using the existing industrial theme of the location. From there, a new public railway line could enter an underwater tunnel and continue toward Bay City, eventually connecting to the Bay City railway in Manyiminya, slightly south of the current ferry terminal. This would avoid destroying or altering the existing ferry terminal created by Michael Linden, while still finally providing a fixed railway connection between Heterocera Atoll and Bay City. ## Key Difference From the 2024 Proposal The main difference from the 2024 proposal is that this version would avoid relying on the private railway line to the west of Cecropia. The new line would not need to connect to that private line. Instead, it would be a new LDPW-controlled railway extension beginning from LDPW land in Cecropia, near the pipeline and oil platform area. This could address one of the most important concerns raised in 2024: the need for the project to connect through land that is fully owned or controlled by Linden Lab or the LDPW, rather than depending on privately owned land whose future status cannot be guaranteed. ## Cecropia Starting Point In Cecropia, there is already an industrial waterfront area with a pipeline leading toward an offshore oil platform. Image 1 shows the pipeline area that could serve as a natural visual and structural starting point for the proposed railway platform: https://www.flickr.com/photos/radioactiverosca/55456692473/ A raised or partially enclosed railway platform could be created above the pipeline area, matching the industrial look of Cecropia. This would make the new railway entrance feel integrated with the existing environment rather than imposed on it. This starting point would also avoid the need to heavily modify the existing SLRR terminus or force a connection through unsuitable land. ## Underwater Tunnel Route The proposed tunnel would continue underwater from Cecropia toward Bay City, following the upper red route shown in Image 2: https://www.flickr.com/photos/radioactiverosca/55455674582/ The tunnel would be designed as a railway tunnel only, separate from the private railway to the west and separate from the current road tunnel construction south of Bay City. The same image also shows, in red further south, the approximate position of the new road tunnel currently being built by LDPW, from the south of Bay City, near the Luna region. This shows that underwater or undersea infrastructure is already being considered in the area, and a rail tunnel could complement that wider transport network without conflicting with it. ## Bay City Connection On the Bay City side, the tunnel could connect to the railway in the Manyiminya region, slightly south of the existing ferry terminal. This is an important point of the revised proposal. The intention is not to remove, replace, or damage the existing ferry terminal created by Michael Linden. That terminal is part of Bay City’s transport history and should be preserved. By placing the rail tunnel connection slightly south of the current ferry terminal, the ferry infrastructure could remain intact while the railway network gains a new fixed connection. This approach would respect the historic and existing LDPW work in Bay City while still expanding the public transport network. ## Why This Proposal May Be More Feasible This revised proposal may be more feasible than the 2024 version for several reasons: It starts from LDPW-controlled land in Cecropia The route would no longer depend on a private railway line or privately owned land west of Cecropia. It avoids altering the existing ferry terminal The connection in Manyiminya would be placed slightly south of the current ferry terminal, preserving Michael Linden’s original build. It uses an existing industrial theme The Cecropia pipeline and oil platform area already has an industrial character, making it a suitable location for a rail platform, tunnel portal, or service structure. It creates a new public railway connection without taking resident land The proposal is intended to avoid any need for eminent domain or resident land acquisition, which was one of the key concerns raised by Abnor Mole in 2024. It complements current infrastructure development With the current road tunnel construction beginning south of Bay City, near Luna, this proposal could form part of a broader and more coherent transport vision for the area. It preserves sailing routes better than an above-water causeway As noted in the 2024 discussion, an above-water causeway would create disruption for sailing over a long distance. An underwater rail tunnel would avoid that problem. ## Suggested Design Concept The Cecropia end of the tunnel could be designed as a small industrial railway platform or service station built above the pipeline corridor. The tunnel entrance could be partly hidden within an industrial retaining wall, pump house, maintenance shed, or concrete portal structure. This would allow the railway to enter the underwater section naturally, without requiring major visible terraforming. The underwater section could use a simple LDPW rail tunnel style, with occasional viewing windows, emergency alcoves, or maintenance details if performance and land impact allow. On the Bay City side, the tunnel could emerge south of the Manyiminya ferry terminal and connect into the existing Bay City railway system through a short, carefully aligned public rail extension. ## Benefits This project would provide several benefits to Mainland travel and exploration: A direct public railway connection between Heterocera Atoll and Bay City. A new destination and travel experience for SLRR users. Better integration between historic Mainland rail infrastructure and Bay City. A practical alternative to the never-completed train ferry concept. Preservation of the existing Manyiminya ferry terminal. No need to connect through the private railway west of Cecropia. Less disruption to sailing than any above-water bridge or causeway. A new LDPW-built transport landmark that could become a popular Mainland attraction. ## Conclusion I understand the reasons why the 2024 proposal was declined, and I believe those concerns were reasonable. This revised proposal is intended to provide a more practical alternative that avoids the main problems identified at that time. By starting from LDPW-owned land in Cecropia, using the existing industrial pipeline area as a natural platform location, avoiding the private rail line to the west, and connecting to Bay City slightly south of the Manyiminya ferry terminal, this version could offer a cleaner and less disruptive way to finally connect the Heterocera Atoll railway with Bay City. The goal is not to replace Michael Linden’s ferry terminal or disturb existing historic infrastructure. The goal is to preserve that work while adding a new public rail connection that strengthens Mainland transport and gives residents another reason to explore both Heterocera and Bay City by train.

For the past 21 years the intersection in Honawan and Tompson has been less than optimal, as it is very close to the region crossing. It is possible to turn right without entering Tompson, and it works the other way as well, but only with smaller vehicles, otherwise you need to enter Tompson and then cross back to Honawan because large vehicles can get stuck on the high curb. There is enough space on the protected land parcel for an open right turn on this roadway. If you could replace the curb at https://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Honawan/200/252/109 with a flat prim, it would be a quick and sufficient solution so that we could make the turn without having to cross into Tompson and back to Honawan, or getting stuck on the curb. Thank you in advance.

Zindra is a wonderful continent to boat on but there is no way to circumnavigate it. In particular, the south east corner has private land upto the world and and some of the land owners don't allow passage. Navigable water, shown on the areas marked on this screen shot https://gyazo.com/ffc3fbe6e2610a7109dd52e8cd164d72 would provide passage. Also on the south east and east sides. https://gyazo.com/b98159452cccbda561c9cdbd5bd8ad18

Just south of Corsica continent there was a line of private estate sims which provided passageway for marine craft, aircraft, space craft. Recently, the owner of these regions took them offline permanently, eliminating a key passage way to western Corsica and places in that environs. This request asks that only FOUR regions be created, each one south of the existing Neyaci, Optiman, Plague Port, and Feersum regions. This would provide marine, air, and space traveling residents clear passage across the stretch of Corsica south shoreline that was eliminated above.

In the past, support has previously said that they cannot handle abuse reports through the support portal. In addition, it is instinct for residents to file an abuse report for abusive content that is on Linden land. A recent clarification has been made on the forums (at https://community.secondlife.com/forums/topic/534114-horrible-building-in-newbrooke/page/2/#findComment-3079156 ) stating that abuse reports for Linden Home covenant violations need to go through the support portal in order to be routed to LDPW covenant enforcement team. This is really confusing, even to a veteran SL resident. No where in the covenant does it say that abuse reports for covenant violations need to be filed to the support portal. The only thing that is said is if you need help with your linden home. (Emphasis on "your", which implies only your linden home). Rephrasing it to something along these lines would really help clear up that discrepancy: "If you need help with your Linden Home, or to report Covenant violations:"

I've had premium for many years on several avatars and premium plus. I think all this time, I've gone once. Now, prices for premium have been raised with the excuse of these gifts. I think I've only gotten one or two in my entire time as premium, they were high land impact and not really useful to me, so I just don't bother. I'd rather pay less, or get or get more lindens instead of these gifts instead. They're not for me as a non-modern RPer nor are they for me as someone who plays exclusively male avatars and has no use for chick shit. On top of that, I never remember to go get them. So I would suggest, sending us a HUD whenever there's a new gift, and one in 15 days after it's released as a reminder, along with some in world message. Allow people in the hud to select what they want. If they don't want any of it, give them some amount of Lindens so they can put it towards something they DO want. Maybe ask them why they chose lindens instead to gain valuable data on what groups in SL are underserved wtih these gifts.

I would like Linden Lab to consider separate security orb settings for Linden Home skyboxes located above 2,000 meters. The current 15-second warning makes sense at ground level. Someone may accidentally cross a parcel while walking, driving, boating, or flying through Bellisseria, and they should have time to leave without being immediately ejected. A private skybox several thousand meters in the air is different. Someone entering an enclosed home at that height is much less likely to be passing through by accident. They may have followed a Resident, teleported to the location, or deliberately flown toward the home. During the required warning period, an unwanted visitor can already enter the home, approach the people inside, touch objects, use furniture, or trigger animations before the orb removes them. I am not asking for traditional ban lines or for public travel areas to be blocked. I am asking Linden Lab to allow stronger orb settings above 2,000 meters, such as a shorter warning time or an instant-eject option. Ground-level parcels could keep the current 15-second rule, while high-altitude homes could have separate settings that better protect private residential spaces. This would keep Bellisseria open for exploration while giving Linden Home residents better protection in skyboxes where accidental entry is far less likely.

Ever since calling Bay City my home, I have noticed the total silence. There is no ambient sound by default, and the only times when I can hear ambient sound is if it has been added by a private landowner. Would it be possible for Linden Lab to add default ambient sounds to Bay City as it is done in other areas inworld?